koolkorsa
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Just bought a new computer from a independent shop. I asked for an AMD Athlon 2600 XP 333FSB processer, and this is the exact product that has appeared on the reciept. However I just turned on the comp and went into device mananger and it says - that the processer is - AMD Athlon 2000XP +.
I rung up the place and they said i had to adjust my bios settings to up the rate to 2600. But as i understand that is overclocking a 2000XP chip rather than them having provided me with a 2600 processer. Have they ripped me off or what? Help needed urgently. Cheers.
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M4tt
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nah it needs setting up in the bios, i built my pwn comp and it started up as a 2000, but should have been a 2500 or sumin -
just hit del button when you turn it on, on the memory test page 
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PaulW
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some boards don't pick up the real FSB of the chip, so you may need to adjust it...
If in doubt, take off the heatsink from the chip & have a look at the stepping, it will tell you what speed it actually is there...
this is the stepping on the 2600 XP-M
AXMG2600FQQ4C / IQYHA0348XPMW
The bold bit is what speed it is. If yours doesn't say 2600, then complain!
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Mikorsa16v
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download Sisoft Sandra that will tell u what it really is, plus lots more useless info its wikid
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PaulW
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quote:
Originally posted by Mikorsa16v
download Sisoft Sandra that will tell u what it really is, plus lots more useless info its wikid
still dependant on the settings within the BIOS...
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koolkorsa
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aint got the net on it yet. I'll av to have a play around 2nite download that software and run it. Cos i cant be arsed to take my computer apart and take of the heatsink. Well actually how hard is it to take of the heatsink, is it just clipped on top.?
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Mikorsa16v
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i knew u would say that paul  ruin my fun lol
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PaulW
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i *think* the settings for the 2600+XP are...
FSB - 166
Multiplier - 12.5 (it will be locked anyway)
vcore I think is 1.65v
[Edited on 19-04-2004 by PaulW]
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Mikorsa16v
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* paul accepts no responsibility for your actions *
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PaulW
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yesh if it fries please blame the shop!
mind I'm gona hopefully be running mine with FSB of around 180 & multiplier of 14... but thats seriously overclocked  & also my athlon 2600 is completely unlocked 
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koolkorsa
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i've got the comp case open now. The processer is underneath the heatsink with mounted fan isn't it? How do i remove this so i can read the label saying model number of processer. Cheers
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RS6
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sounds abit wrong to me, mines a Althon 2000XP+ and runs at 1.66ghz, u might have the wrong cpu, and besides u shouldnt have to do all this & set it up
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koolkorsa
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rite so basically i need to know how do i check the actual processer they have put inside the machine. Can this only be done physically taking the machine apart?
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PaulW
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Use a small flat-edged screwdriver to unclip the heatsink from the cpu socket, but be careful not to let the screwdriver slip!
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PaulW
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you can play with the BIOS settings as much as ytou want, but to see what it really is, the only way is to look at the chip itself
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koolkorsa
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rite i'll ava go now. thanks. Also it seems bloody noisy to me. Its got 3 fans mounted in the case and one over the CPU. Does it really need all these fans? Can u get ultra quiet ones?
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PaulW
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AMD's run pretty hot as standard, around 60C...
guessing 1 fan at front, 2 at rear?? make sure the rears are blowing air out & the front is sucking air in 
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koolkorsa
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2 side fans and 1 rear fan. And one on the cpu.
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Reedy
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u have got it all wrong, The processor needs to be running at 266MHz fsb, if u cant change it in the bios then u have to change the jumper settings.
To change the settings in the bios u pres delete when it prmpts u to when u turn the pc on. In the bios u need to find an option that starts with chipset, it varies with motherboards in names. Then once u actually locate the fsb settings it should be set at 266fsb as it is a 333fsb, this then will make ure processor will be shown as a 2600 running at 2083MHz
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liamC
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It wouldnt matter if your FSB was set differently, the type of processor wouldnt change in device manager.
I reckon you've been robbed.
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koolkorsa
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well i'm going down there now and am gonna ask to see the actual chip inside my computer and read the model number of it. Peace of mind that way.
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liamC
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It tells you the name of the processor on the BIOS setup as well as soon as you turn the computer on so see if it says XP2000+ there as well.
Im 99% sure that if it says XP2000+ in Device Manager thats what you've got in like. No way it would change depending on what your FSB is set at.
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Reedy
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on some motherboards it only goes off the fsb in the BIOS, the device manager goes off the bios and hence why it would detect it as a 2000, im telling u to change the fsb!!
I work with computers every day, it will be the fsb, we will find out when he gets back from the shop anyway!!
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Cybermonkey
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
AMD's run pretty hot as standard, around 60C...
guessing 1 fan at front, 2 at rear?? make sure the rears are blowing air out & the front is sucking air in
whoa there paul!!! 60 is WAY too hot matey. I have an athlon 2200 running at about 1900mhz, not much but better than stock, and its running at about 42 degrees underload and 39 idle. Case sits at about 31-32 degrees all day long. You might want to think about a new fan, look at a Thermaltake Volcano9 with copper heatsink. Also put a fair bit of thermal paste on chip and you should get cooler, if your case is running hot too, look at an exhaust which sucks a fair bit of hot air from the case. Noisy though.
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Cybermonkey
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koolcorsa, as long as you know you have a compatible motherboard, fitting a 2600 processor should immediately show up on the boot-up screen, fiddling with voltages and FSB will not change from an XP2000 to a 2600. XP2000 run at about 1650mhz, and the 2600 is about 2.2ghz, that would be a serious amount of overclocking and your chip will fry easy.
Dave
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