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Filby1

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28th Apr 05 at 07:10

just saw an advert for the new pug 206 GTI 180, and along with the Renult 182/172have come to think that engines aint hade much growth over the last 15+ years what with the red top C20xe at 150BHP thats almost a 1bhp advance per year, not much to say the cars above cost 8G`s + and the Astra/Corsa C20xe are less than Half that

Edd

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28th Apr 05 at 07:13

its all about insurance though most of them design their cars so that they have a decent insurance group thats the only way they will sell their cars

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28th Apr 05 at 07:16

wha? Theres no content in your assumptions. Engine development has come a long long way since the early nineties, with the introduction of Variable Valve Timing of some sort or another across most types of car types and engines. You have to look at the whole car as a package, with the introduction of lightweight materials bringing down overall weight, as well as much improved flexibilty and fuel consumption, even with high revving 4 cylinders.

You are just comparing relatively low end engines, and havent even considered the all new Alloy V6 Mercedes unit that will make its way into all new SLK350's etc, not only is it lighter and more powerful than its predecessor, but it has better fuel consumption, and is kinder to the environment. Not sure about you, but in my opinion, engine technology has come a long way in the last decade.
Not to mention the whle host of hybrids in development and on the streets already.

Cybermonkey

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28th Apr 05 at 07:16

quote:
Originally posted by Edd_20
its all about insurance though most of them design their cars so that they have a decent insurance group thats the only way they will sell their cars

what has engine technology got to do with insurance?

Joff

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28th Apr 05 at 07:22

Hate something? Change something.

Edd

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28th Apr 05 at 07:23

quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey24

quote:
Originally posted by Edd_20
its all about insurance though most of them design their cars so that they have a decent insurance group thats the only way they will sell their cars

what has engine technology got to do with insurance?

he's not just talking about engine developments he is talking about how much bhp cars have im just saying that car companies like their cars to be insurance friendly thats why he isnt seeing much difference from years ago

Edd

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28th Apr 05 at 07:25

but for engine developments there have been a lot of advancements.(vauxhall twinport)

Filby1

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28th Apr 05 at 07:34

Light weight ? Mk1+2 Golf? Vs Mk 4 and five the weight almost double

Joff

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28th Apr 05 at 07:38

So you're on about cars now... I thought you were talking about engine development?

Filby1

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28th Apr 05 at 07:42

someone above said with the intro of light weight materials

Joff

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28th Apr 05 at 07:43

Yes... in the engine.

Edd

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28th Apr 05 at 07:44

alloy engines he was talking about

Filby1

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28th Apr 05 at 07:44

but over all weight is still up and power still only up by 20 bhp

Joff

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28th Apr 05 at 07:45

So you're back to talking about the cars again...

Joff

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28th Apr 05 at 07:45

Also, we now have 15" TFT screens as cheap as £80!

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28th Apr 05 at 07:56

I think diesels have made the biggest jump in recent times with the introduction of the common rail enignes.
Take the fabia vRS (yes minging to look at) but you cna go thrash it on A roads and still return 50mpg out of it.

Also if you really want to see cutting edge stuff, then race engines is where to go, how ot get more power then they've said no more power can come from it. The audi FSi system they put in to the le man cars is pretty impressive stuff.

Joff

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28th Apr 05 at 07:58

And all these Actimel/Yakult drinks - we didn't have those 15 years ago.

Filby1

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28th Apr 05 at 08:02

but fuel cost should not be an issue if ya want a fast car you pay high fuel cost, My family run an Is200 and put over 60 quid per week in to run it just going to work and back and the odd trip to tesco, bet it only does 20mpg

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28th Apr 05 at 08:21

stupid post. Its not that manufacturers cant make more powerful engines, its they just refuse to to keep costs to the motorists down, imagine them making a 300bhp 206, they wouldnt sell any, think of the fuel consumption and insurance

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28th Apr 05 at 08:25

quote:
Originally posted by Skinz
stupid post. Its not that manufacturers cant make more powerful engines, its they just refuse to to keep costs to the motorists down, imagine them making a 300bhp 206, they wouldnt sell any, think of the fuel consumption and insurance

that was the point i was making

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28th Apr 05 at 08:31

another factor is the safety regulations they have to adhere to, putting a too powerful lump into a small family hatchback wont pass safety regs

Jambo

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28th Apr 05 at 08:36

By this post i take it you mean why arent vauxhall selling 300bhp 1.6l corsa

That would never happen.

Ojc

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28th Apr 05 at 08:43

In this months TV they have details of the new 1.8 16v lump which produces 140bhp

Steve Smith

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28th Apr 05 at 15:29

Consider......20K service intervals!!
Massive reduction in Emissions and an increase in Power and MPG.

Filby is talking crap.

James_DT

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28th Apr 05 at 15:36

quote:
Originally posted by Filby1
not much to say the cars above cost 8G`s + and the Astra/Corsa C20xe are less than Half that

Because most of the Astras and Corsas with C20XE's in them are old.

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