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iceman
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26th May 05 at 11:29   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Ive been told the calibra turbo injectors are no good for throttle bodies and can lose upto 15bhp.. Ive spoken to a couple of tuners SBD and QED both suggest changing them to Webber injectors.
Problem is they are £300 quid and im like most people dont have a clue whether they r feeding me shit or not..
Any thoughts?
AK
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26th May 05 at 11:33   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
eh.... how on earth do they loose you power?
3CorsaMeal
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26th May 05 at 11:33   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
see what AK says, he is using LET injectors and TB's
iceman
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26th May 05 at 11:35   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
hense why im hesitant to part with £300.00 but i know shit all about engines
bradfincham
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26th May 05 at 11:35   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
is posible they can feed more fuel than needed
iceman
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam Kindness
eh.... how on earth do they loose you power?



sbd said something to do with the spray pattern, but i would of thought that as long as the fuel is there who cares lol
AK
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they are told ow much to fuel by the ECU....

say 80% duty for what i'm running....

Maybe there spray pattern
Ditch
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26th May 05 at 11:37   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
an injector is an injector, once maxed out its maxed out...? fuelling will become a problem when your running them near to their max output...

im guessing LET injectors are good for a tad more than 200bhp...?
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26th May 05 at 11:38   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
are the pulses (pattern?) not controlled by the ECU?
iceman
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam Kindness
they are told ow much to fuel by the ECU....

say 80% duty for what i'm running....

Maybe there spray pattern


im running 75% duty on mine
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Originally posted by Ditch
are the pulses (pattern?) not controlled by the ECU?

id hazzard a guess at spray pattern being the kinda 'squirt'

i.e is it like powerwasher, or a garden sprinkler... direct or mist.... dunno to be honest

GOOGLE ??
iceman
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26th May 05 at 11:41   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
not sure if its worth changing the injectors lol unless some1 has done it and can prove there is a difference lol
bradfincham
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26th May 05 at 11:42   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
let ones i would say are more suited for the turbo engine, like the msd ones, saab ones you can put on a let,
sbd know there stuff i would trust them!
Ditch
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26th May 05 at 11:42   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
like what setting you got the garden hose on?

spray or squirt
iceman
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Originally posted by bradfincham
let ones i would say are more suited for the turbo engine, like the msd ones, saab ones you can put on a let,
sbd know there stuff i would trust them!


i was also told this by mech repairs on monday, just dont wanna fork out 300 for nothing
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26th May 05 at 11:44   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
Think Lee mitchell knows about the injectors and spray patterns because the xe's can have two types of injestors with different patterns
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quote:
Originally posted by bradfincham
is posible they can feed more fuel than needed


not a problem if it's mapped
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26th May 05 at 11:46   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by iceman
Ive been told the calibra turbo injectors are no good for throttle bodies and can lose upto 15bhp.. Ive spoken to a couple of tuners SBD and QED both suggest changing them to Webber injectors.
Problem is they are £300 quid and im like most people dont have a clue whether they r feeding me shit or not..
Any thoughts?


why not fit the next size up from what you've got?
bradfincham
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26th May 05 at 11:48   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
nope but the spray pattern, on a turbo engine i guess that they would spray a lot of fuel in one go when the turbo spools, or the engine would run lean,

im sure turbo ones are more of a squirt and n/a are a mist
iceman
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26th May 05 at 11:48   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by vibrio
quote:
Originally posted by iceman
Ive been told the calibra turbo injectors are no good for throttle bodies and can lose upto 15bhp.. Ive spoken to a couple of tuners SBD and QED both suggest changing them to Webber injectors.
Problem is they are £300 quid and im like most people dont have a clue whether they r feeding me shit or not..
Any thoughts?


why not fit the next size up from what you've got?


I have already changed from cream's to the yellow's ( Calibra Turbo ) the fueling aint a problem now and duty cycle is good at 75% but i just wondering if these tuners are saying you will lose upto 15bhp coz ur running turbo injectors due to there spray pattern then i guess changing them to the webbers is a good idea but i dont know if they are just saying that to get some extra ££
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26th May 05 at 11:51   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
There will be injectors out there (in cars) that have the flow rates you want.... just finding them
Rob H
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Only thing i can think of as regards to the spray pattern is that in the LET's the fuel is squirted in , which is then vapourised by the hot compressed air. Could have been that if they sprayed in a mist of air, they get more chance of detonation, as the fuel is already vapourised when it enters the chamber.

Thats about the only thing i can think of anyway .
iceman
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26th May 05 at 11:52   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
lol i dont even know wot flow rate i need lol im such a dumb ass when it comes to cars lol
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26th May 05 at 11:54   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
sbd know what there on about!

turbos squirt and spray pattern will be wrong, i suggest buying the sbd ones.
iceman
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26th May 05 at 11:56   View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote
quote:
Originally posted by bradfincham
sbd know what there on about!

turbos squirt and spray pattern will be wrong, i suggest buying the sbd ones.


but i could be spending 300 on injectors when they could make fcuk all difference but then again 15bhp onto of the 190bhp ... 205 lol

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