spankyjames
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how many types of 1.6 engines are there, and what one would be the best for peformance
cheers
james
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dna23
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Vauxhall 1.6 engines are we talking about?
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Cybermonkey
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for Corsa B there are 2 types. C16XE and X16XE. C16XE is best for performance, but it is marginal. expect a slight better increase in tuning potential with the C16XE also. however it will be difficult to find a decent one unless you want to spunk money away on a new one...
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dna23
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whats the X16XEL and C16XEL?
[Edited on 03-07-2006 by dna23]
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Cybermonkey
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X16XEL was fitted to the Astra mk3/mk4 IIRC. C16XEL no such thing. X16XEL produced 100bhp, 6 less than the X16XE
[Edited on 03-07-2006 by Cybermonkey]
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flash22
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the XEL is the low output version on the XE enging mainly found it the astra mk3 and G. It runs a different head portings and has a more restricted intake system
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dna23
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
cams and exhausts are different! c16xe had a longer duration and higher lift than the x16xe.
personally i wuoldnt bother with cams in these engines until you have throttle bodies. i looked into it in a big way a while back, and decided not to bother, i got 155 bhp without them in my x16xe
basicly, these engines have very small clearance beetween the valves and pistons. to get the cams set up perfectly, u will have to use vernier pulleys and spend loads on setting up. and for a relitavely small gain (3-4 bhp). to get the clearance you need for larger gains, you will have to pocket the pistons to allow a larger lift. check out this link:
http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Do_Dont.htm
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spankyjames
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cheers for that what would i need to put to put a 1.6 in my corsa b?, how much roughly is it to do a conversion to a 1.6
cheers
james
[Edited on 03-07-2006 by spankyjames]
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Cybermonkey
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C16XE also has a higher compression ratio, causing peak power and torque to be developed 500rpm lower in the band. also lacks EGR, SAP, and has larger inlet valves
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PaulW
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quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
C16XE also has a higher compression ratio, causing peak power and torque to be developed 500rpm lower in the band. also lacks EGR, SAP, and has larger inlet valves
EGR is still there, SAP is not.
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Cybermonkey
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
C16XE also has a higher compression ratio, causing peak power and torque to be developed 500rpm lower in the band. also lacks EGR, SAP, and has larger inlet valves
EGR is still there, SAP is not.
since when? port valve is blocked...
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Mattb
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no egr on the c16xe... i had one
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PaulW
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quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
C16XE also has a higher compression ratio, causing peak power and torque to be developed 500rpm lower in the band. also lacks EGR, SAP, and has larger inlet valves
EGR is still there, SAP is not.
since when? port valve is blocked...
quote:
Originally posted by James R
C16 still has the EGR ports cast in the head, so you can't excape them
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Cybermonkey
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quote:
Originally posted by PaulW
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Originally posted by Cybermonkey
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Originally posted by PaulW
quote:
Originally posted by Cybermonkey
C16XE also has a higher compression ratio, causing peak power and torque to be developed 500rpm lower in the band. also lacks EGR, SAP, and has larger inlet valves
EGR is still there, SAP is not.
since when? port valve is blocked...
quote:
Originally posted by James R
C16 still has the EGR ports cast in the head, so you can't excape them
no they are blocked off, as if they werent even there 
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PaulW
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not so much blocked off, just no EGR valves on the outside, but the EGR system is still cast into the head...
ports are larger though
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Dave A
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c16xe head is a MUCH better design than the x16xe. not much difference unless you are tuning them to run high bhp figures tho.
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Scotty C
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quote:
Originally posted by Dave A
c16xe head is a MUCH better design than the x16xe. not much difference unless you are tuning them to run high bhp figures tho.
Much hassle putting the C16 head on the X16?
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Dave A
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no hassle at all. just use the x16xe inlet and throttle body system.
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spankyjames
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cool, so how much you rekon it will cost?
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corsacalvin
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what bout c16se?good tuning on them with twin 40's
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