Jenko_Sport
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Dbilas, Lexmaul, Mantzel powerbox
Which is the best from people's opinions as im considering getting the Dbilas inlet
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Jenko_Sport
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TTT
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corsacant
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From what I've heard (not my opinion).
1.Lexmaul
2.Mantzel
3.Dbilas.
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Dave A
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mantzel vs dbilas, I would buy the dbilas. better design and build quality.
the lexmaul is a bit different, doesnt replace the inlet tract itself but simplifies it from the throttle body to the inlet. the lexmaul will give a more even spread of power whereas the dbilas will give more power higher up the revs.
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Cybermonkey
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lexmaul is suited to engines where it wont be mapped on a RR
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Marc
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And doesn't the Lexmaul give a better torque increase? 
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willhouse
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lexmaul if your not planning on doing much if at all anything else to the engine.
dbilas if you are going for re-map etc and other engine mods although you dont need a re-map for the dbilas to work and get power gains, it just means you get more power when you do.
[Edited on 09-10-2006 by willhouse]
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Jenko_Sport
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Well im thinking about new inlet and exhaust manifolds, cams and possibly flowed head.
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Dave A
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well all that lot will be pointless without mapping so go for the dbilas if you plan to get it mapped to match
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SAL
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iv got a lexmaul on my 1.6 love it ! iv driven a friends with a manzel and it seemed rough and only really worked at high revs, so if you drive normally lexmaul if you spank your car alot manzel and if you have money to waste dblias
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Dave A
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quote:
Originally posted by stavs
if you have money to waste dblias
why is a dbilas a waste of money? its the best built out of them all imo.
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Jenko_Sport
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Dave thats why i was considering getting the Dbilas over the others.
And i also for DTA management systems off my list
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Dave A
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and dbilas is the cheapest
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jazzer2k3
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I have a DBilas  Wonderfull stuff 
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Jenko_Sport
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Jazzer are you using the software provided?
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alistairolsen
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theyre all shite. by the time you buy and fit them and get a remap you can virtually go standalone and bike tbs for the same cost if youre careful
[Edited on 11-10-2006 by alistairolsen]
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johnscorsaXE
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i rate these maniflds highly.
really does make such an increase at high revs.
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Dave A
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
theyre all shite. by the time you buy and fit them and get a remap you can virtually go standalone and bike tbs for the same cost if youre careful
[Edited on 11-10-2006 by alistairolsen]
inlet: £460
mapping: £300
you cant buy a standalone management system and loom for that much, let alone a manifold, tb's, filters, trumpets, and then mapping is at least £400.
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alistairolsen
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motor bike TB = 70
bogg bros manifold = 160
ecu = 250
mapping depends where you go, how good you are before you take it there....
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Dean_W
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
motor bike TB = 70
bogg bros manifold = 160
ecu = 250
mapping depends where you go, how good you are before you take it there....
Have you done this?
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alistairolsen
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nope, priced it up for a mate a while back. A friend of mines done it on a cav 8v, but he went emerald management in the end and took it to dave walker to be mapped cos he didnt fancy playing with megasquirt.
Suppose it depend show much of a hands on aproach you want to take
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Dave A
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quote:
Originally posted by alistairolsen
motor bike TB = 70
bogg bros manifold = 160
ecu = 250
mapping depends where you go, how good you are before you take it there....
how about these though:
filters: £60
loom: £200+
mapping: £400
tps: £30
ats: £30
dispack: £45
linkage: £60
injectors: £40
cable: £30
FPR: £80
trumpets: £100
other bits and bobs: £100
and an ecu at entry level would be at least £500.
[Edited on 11-10-2006 by Dave A]
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alistairolsen
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filters: £60 fair enough, just like the cone filter for your inlet manifold
loom: £200+ you what?
mapping: £400 Same as your inlet tbh, or a superchip, or any major engine mod
tps: £30 depending on where you get it. in many cases the bike on will do, it a variable resistor ffs
ats: £30 ?? No idea what youre on about there
dispack: £45 on a 1400 or 1600 16? they already have one
linkage: £60 linkage? the bike bodes have it already, you just need a cable with the correct ends on it
injectors: £40 the bike ones will do fine so long as they are of the correct impedance
cable: £30
FPR: £80 my last cossie fpr was 20 quid on ebay, even new i believe they are less than 80 quid
trumpets: £100 depending on the bikes airbox you may be able to salvage them, otherwise a plate and a set of secondhand carb trumpets should do
other bits and bobs: £100 such as? The above list is fairly comprehansive
and an ecu at entry level would be at least £500. megasquirt can be had runniing for well under 200 500 is enough for emerald which i wouldnt describe as entry level.
the difference is that once you have the above it will do for any further mods and is good for up to 200hp if you decide to take it that far wheres the inlet is good for lot less, and retains the stock ecu with a one off remap that will be thrown away at the next upgrade.
It depends as i say on how happy you are using your bonce and sourcing s/h parts and making things or whether youre a cheque book warrior. in the latter case get the inlet and then waste the 300quid remap when you bin it to fit tbs at a later date. by then this wont be an issue cos you'll be buying those new from jenvay at 2k!!
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Dave A
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well you have already said that you havnt ever built up a throttle body kit on any engine so I wont try and explain any further because you simply wont understand. 
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alistairolsen
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another keyboard warrior lol.
as i also said, I have spoken to and watched a close mate do exactly this to his engine and all Im trying to point out is that if you EVER want any more than about 145bhp from your 16xe then dont start with the inlet manifodl or you WILL end up binning half the money later on.
new jenveys vs new mantzel, no contest, but if youre prepared to get your hands dirty you can achieve very similar results for similar money to the inlet manifold.
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