Ojc
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Bollocks to Ferguson, bollocks to Clough this man is the Don.
SIR ALF RAMSEY
Club: Ipswich (1955-1963), England (1963-1974), Birmingham (1977-78)
Major Trophies: 1 league title (1962), 1 World Cup (1966)
Pros: Took Ipswich from the bottom to the top in only seven years - and there is the little matter of a World Cup trophy on his coaching CV.
Cons: Has the big one in his cabinet but his silverware collection is otherwise pretty sparse in comparison.
DH: "He didn't get the England job because he was Alf Ramsey - the fine defender, who played for Tottenham and England.
"He got it for what he did with Ipswich - taking over a team in the Third Division South and guiding them to the very top of the English game.
"He was then given the England job and went on to win the World Cup. There isn't anyone that has done anything better than that in the English game."
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Ojc
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DH: "He didn't get the England job because he was Alf Ramsey - the fine defender, who played for Tottenham and England.
"He got it for what he did with Ipswich - taking over a team in the Third Division South and guiding them to the very top of the English game.
"He was then given the England job and went on to win the World Cup. There isn't anyone that has done anything better than that in the English game
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Cosmo
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Bob Paisley is the top manager ever...
1975-76 - League Champions, UEFA Cup
1976-77 - League Champions, European Cup, FA Cup finalists
1977-78 - European Cup, European Super Cup, League Cup finalists
1978-79 - League Champions
1979-80 - League Champions
1980-81 - European Cup, League Cup
1981-82 - League Champions, League Cup
1982-83 - League Champions, League Cup
6 League Championships, 1 UEFA Cup, 3 European Cups, 1 European Super Cup and 3 League Cups 
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Ojc
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STFU that means nothing in comparison to a World Cup, come back to me when you have a manager that has won the World Cup and then maybe I can respect you.
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Cosmo
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Originally posted by Ojc
STFU that means nothing in comparison to a World Cup, come back to me when you have a manager that has won the World Cup and then maybe I can respect you.
I think winning 5 European Trophies matches the 1 World Cup he won 
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Ojc
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No way, no way at all.
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Cosmo
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quote:
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No way, no way at all.
STFU, you dont even know what real football is, you lower league supporter you 
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Cosmo
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TBH though, he didnt win much else other than the WC.
Its like saying Sven or MacLaren are the worlds best coaches if they had won it...but they certainly arent.
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Hammer
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Aimet Jacquet, Carlos Parreira, Luiz Scolari
all world cup winning managers all nowhere near the greatest manager.
Jock Stein, Bill Shankly, Sir Matt Busby and Sir Alex Ferguson all superb leaders of men, all Scottish.
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jr
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John Lyall was better ollie
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John Lyall was better ollie
The bloke from the Sex Pistols
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jr
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thats john lydon or something
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Jamie Walby
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I know. I was just having a little play on words/names.
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jr
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yes i noticed, i wasnt sure how to respond, that was my effort
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Cosmo
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quote:
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yes i noticed, i wasnt sure how to respond, that was my effort
dont worry, the more you post in the better sections of CS the better you shall get at it 
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jr
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ok sir, ill try my hardest
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Russ
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bob paisley is no better than big phil, easy to win things if you have the best team at the time
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Cosmo
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then Fergie is no great manager as after his first few trophies he had the best team of the time.
Infact fergie must be a worse manager as had, possibly, the best team in world football at one stage yet only won one european cup.
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quote:
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then Fergie is no great manager as after his first few trophies he had the best team of the time.
Infact fergie must be a worse manager as had, possibly, the best team in world football at one stage yet only won one european cup.
true. but man utd were shit twenty years ago, he made them great 
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Hammer
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Bill Shankly laid the foundations for future Liverpool success.
Alex Ferguson built Man U from the ground up.
Jock Stein won the European cup, the first British club to do so, with players all born within 30 miles of each other, a feat which will never ever be achieved again 
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Ojc
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But none of them won the world cup
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Marc
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Who cares about the World Cup, Europes where its at.
Cosmo will agree with me here
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Ojc
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STFU you idiots. World Cup, Ipswich are the only team in the country to have had a world cup winning manager, that beats all European efforts.
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Cosmo
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Like already mentioned, there are managers who have won the WC but you wouldnt class as legends, christ your picking the best 11 out of 1000's of players in one of the top footballing nations in the world, it shouldnt be a hard thing to do TBH.
Getting players together, taking into account their cost and wages, against other clubs going for the same players and then taking them on to win the top prize takes more magagerial know-how than to win the WC....especially if you do it more than once IMO.
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Nath
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I'd argue that it's harder to win the World Cup, therefore more prestigous(sp). Not taking anything away from winning the European Cup though, thats an impressive feat.
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