Steve
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About the road pricing??
I found it funny after all the bullshit that was talked, about cutting congestion by 44% they still voted against it 
44%? says who! what a joke, just made up figures to support there cause imo, people 90% of the time drive somewhere on a designated route because they are required to, whether that be there job or whatever.
Road pricing will not stop this, only piss people off as they will just pay it.
TBH im more worried about the tracking side of it
What that bloke said about Civil unrest if it happened was also damn true
[Edited on 19-02-2007 by Steve]
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Ben G
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so is it not going through then as ''they voted against it'' , you said?
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Steve
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nah that was just a random bunch of people they gathered to try and persuade it was a good thing,
Even tho a couple would be better off paying no road tax and just charged on there milage they still voted against it pmsl
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Ben G
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
nah that was just a random bunch of people they gathered to try and persuade it was a good thing,
Even tho a couple would be better off paying no road tax and just charged on there milage they still voted against it pmsl
probably because they didn't want to get beaten up by the other guys, as usual, most people vote towards popular opinion for fear of death by beatings!    
silly idea just for the government to get more money basically, nothing in it for us..
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Steve
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nah they had to do it fair, made them all close there eyes so they couldnt see what other were voting for
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Matt H
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That figure suggests that congestion dropped by 44% because 44% of the people who use a car couldn't afford to pay these charges
Rising house prices, cost of living going skyward & debt levels spiraling out of control. Just what we need 
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Steve
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44% is utter bollocks, made up to support ther arguments, it made me laugh how he was saying, it has reduced congestion in london where they have this scheme in the centre by similar amounts, but 20 mins earlier on the news they were saying how congestion is as high as it was last year in these charging zones and they havent met any targets
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Matt H
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I heard 20% on the news earlier
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Steve
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i heard 8% and that it was set to go back to as bad as it was before the charging before long
[Edited on 19-02-2007 by Steve]
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Matt H
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I think we should make them a big cherry GTF pie & all sign it
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Steve
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Matt H
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Where are the Mr Kippling versions? Couldn't find that pic the other day 
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topshot_2k
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scrap rad tax and add it onto fuel duty. simple as.
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Mase
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it made me laugh how he compared the success of the congestion charge in London to the new road pricing idea, for him to just get knocked back down again by some women saying that they have resonable, more frequent public transport down there and its not the same case for the rest of the country...
.... personally, if the public transport improved where I live to the point that I didn't have to catch a 7 AM bus, i would consider using public transport more, however the cost savings would me minimal, if anything.... but then again, I need my car in case I have to go out onto site at a moments notice, so catching the bus wouldn't be suitable all the time.
My main concern with all the tracking kit that will have to be used will be the 'extra' information it can get hold of such as speed etc. I'm not too fussed if they know where I am at all time, its more the speed monitoring, which they say they won't do, but a few years down the line, i can see it sneaking in...
[Edited on 19-02-2007 by Mase]
Mase
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nathy_87
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and ya can guess where the money is going to can't ya, on these bloody foreigneers that keep comign in illeagally
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John
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quote:
Originally posted by nathy_87
and ya can guess where the money is going to can't ya, on these bloody foreigneers that keep comign in illeagally
The foreigners are unfortunately probably much smarter than you are.
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Steve
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nathy_87
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stfu john u skoda driver grrr
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topshot_2k
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but road tax is ment to go on roads, if they are now saying they will spend it on public transport where will the money come from for the roads?
If its on petrol duty then the more you drive the more you pay. simple.
Also i drive to work everyday as do most in my village as the governement needed to cut costs so scraped our 4 buses a day, we now have 2 a day :roleyes:
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blebo
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And whats this pish about trialling it in scotland first!!!!!
Was the poll tax riots not enough of a hint.
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Matt H
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quote:
Originally posted by John
quote:
Originally posted by nathy_87
and ya can guess where the money is going to can't ya, on these bloody foreigneers that keep comign in illeagally
The foreigners are unfortunately probably much smarter than you are.
PMSL
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Steve
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Got this this morning
Thank you for taking the time to register your views about road pricing on the Downing Street website.
This petition was posted shortly before we published the Eddington Study, an independent review of Britain's transport network. This study set out long-term challenges and options for our transport network.
It made clear that congestion is a major problem to which there is no easy answer. One aspect of the study was highlighting how road pricing could provide a solution to these problems and that advances in technology put these plans within our reach. Of course it would be ten years or more before any national scheme was technologically, never mind politically, feasible.
That is the backdrop to this issue. As my response makes clear, this is not about imposing "stealth taxes" or introducing "Big Brother" surveillance. This is a complex subject, which cannot be resolved without a thorough investigation of all the options, combined with a full and frank debate about the choices we face at a local and national level. That's why I hope this detailed response will address your concerns and set out how we intend to take this issue forward. I see this email as the beginning, not the end of the debate, and the links below provide an opportunity for you to take it further.
But let me be clear straight away: we have not made any decision about national road pricing. Indeed we are simply not yet in a position to do so. We are, for now, working with some local authorities that are interested in establishing local schemes to help address local congestion problems. Pricing is not being forced on any area, but any schemes would teach us more about how road pricing would work and inform decisions on a national scheme. And funds raised from these local schemes will be used to improve transport in those areas.
One thing I suspect we can all agree is that congestion is bad. It's bad for business because it disrupts the delivery of goods and services. It affects people's quality of life. And it is bad for the environment. That is why tackling congestion is a key priority for any Government.
Congestion is predicted to increase by 25% by 2015. This is being driven by economic prosperity. There are 6 million more vehicles on the road now than in 1997, and predictions are that this trend will continue.
Part of the solution is to improve public transport, and to make the most of the existing road network. We have more than doubled investment since 1997, spending £2.5 billion this year on buses and over £4 billion on trains - helping to explain why more people are using them than for decades. And we're committed to sustaining this investment, with over £140 billion of investment planned between now and 2015. We're also putting a great deal of effort into improving traffic flows - for example, over 1000 Highways Agency Traffic Officers now help to keep motorway traffic moving.
But all the evidence shows that improving public transport and tackling traffic bottlenecks will not by themselves prevent congestion getting worse. So we have a difficult choice to make about how we tackle the expected increase in congestion. This is a challenge that all political leaders have to face up to, and not just in the UK. For example, road pricing schemes are already in operation in Italy, Norway and Singapore, and others, such as the Netherlands, are developing schemes. Towns and cities across the world are looking at road pricing as a means of addressing congestion.
One option would be to allow congestion to grow unchecked. Given the forecast growth in traffic, doing nothing would mean that journeys within and between cities would take longer, and be less reliable. I think that would be bad for businesses, individuals and the environment. And the costs on us all will be real - congestion could cost an extra £22 billion in wasted time in England by 2025, of which £10-12 billion would be the direct cost on businesses.
A second option would be to try to build our way out of congestion. We could, of course, add new lanes to our motorways, widen roads in our congested city centres, and build new routes across the countryside. Certainly in some places new capacity will be part of the story. That is why we are widening the M25, M1 and M62. But I think people agree that we cannot simply build more and more roads, particularly when the evidence suggests that traffic quickly grows to fill any new capacity.
Tackling congestion in this way would also be extremely costly, requiring substantial sums to be diverted from other services such as education and health, or increases in taxes. If I tell you that one mile of new motorway costs as much as £30m, you'll have an idea of the sums this approach would entail.
That is why I believe that at least we need to explore the contribution road pricing can make to tackling congestion. It would not be in anyone's interests, especially those of motorists, to slam the door shut on road pricing without exploring it further.
It has been calculated that a national scheme - as part of a wider package of measures - could cut congestion significantly through small changes in our overall travel patterns. But any technology used would have to give definite guarantees about privacy being protected - as it should be. Existing technologies, such as mobile phones and pay-as-you-drive insurance schemes, may well be able to play a role here, by ensuring that the Government doesn't hold information about where vehicles have been. But there may also be opportunities presented by developments in new technology. Just as new medical technology is changing the NHS, so there will be changes in the transport sector. Our aim is to relieve traffic jams, not create a "Big Brother" society.
I know many people's biggest worry about road pricing is that it will be a "stealth tax" on motorists. It won't. Road pricing is about tackling congestion.
Clearly if we decided to move towards a system of national road pricing, there could be a case for moving away from the current system of motoring taxation. This could mean that those who use their car less, or can travel at less congested times, in less congested areas, for example in rural areas, would benefit from lower motoring costs overall. Those who travel longer distances at peak times and in more congested areas would pay more. But those are decisions for the future. At this stage, when no firm decision has been taken as to whether we will move towards a national scheme, stories about possible costs are simply not credible, since they depend on so many variables yet to be investigated, never mind decided.
Before we take any decisions about a national pricing scheme, we know that we have to have a system that works. A system that respects our privacy as individuals. A system that is fair. I fully accept that we don't have all the answers yet. That is why we are not rushing headlong into a national road pricing scheme. Before we take any decisions there would be further consultations. The public will, of course, have their say, as will Parliament.
We want to continue this debate, so that we can build a consensus around the best way to reduce congestion, protect the environment and support our businesses. If you want to find out more, please visit the attached links to more detailed information, and which also give opportunities to engage in further debate.
Yours sincerely,
Tony Blair
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Carl
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well my car was recently in the garage and my experience of public trainsport could have finished me off, just to get to sheffeild i had to catch a bus to catch a train to get on a tram. Takes an age to get anywhere and costs an arm and a leg. Cost me 6.90 for a train to huddersfield and back, its only 10-15 miles away, times that by 2 and it would cost me about 2 quid in diesel.
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topshot_2k
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steve email back with the following:
Your time in power is limited you left wing cunt.
Thanks
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