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Sly_SRi
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I was wondering whether the z18xe has the same inlet shape as the x16xe engine?

I was looking at buying a dbilas inlet for the 1.8 SRi but its costly! so would I be able to get one designed for the 1.6 (a mantzel for example) and fit that to the 1.8 instead?

I noticed this car has the 1.8 engine with a mantzel fitted, anyone got any more info?



Any help appreciated

Cheers

[Edited on 21-02-2007 by Sly_SRi]

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how is that a 1.8?
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c16 ?
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thats what it looks like to me...
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Definitely a C16XE.

I THINK, (but I'm not sure, as I've never looked at them side by side) that the inlet side of the head is totally different, and the X16XE inlet will not fit.
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look at the air flow meter

its a C16XE
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Z18XE has one too, that's where the confusion has arisen
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what! Like that?! Metal one???

Thought the GSI AFM was unlike any other

[Edited on 21-02-2007 by Superlite Ltd.]
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its a c16xe

the 1800's have plastic mass air meters

UNLESS - its a x18xe1 running a c16xe loom with reprogrammed ecu to suit the 1.8
















some how i doubt that tho
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thought so

only GSI has metal AFM

£200ish new
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sorry guys your all wrong. It IS a 1.8, i'll get the link...

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et voila:

http://opelt16.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2096

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although, looking at it again he says "course du piston augmenté" which could mean he's had it bored out....hmm

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it doesnt look like a standard 1.8, more likely to be a bored out 1.6. the 1.8 doesnt have a dispack like that, it has a big block ontop of the plugs.

on the standard 1.8 16v smallblack engine (x18xe1 or z18xe) the inlet manifold incorporates some of the water jacket from the cylinder head. as far asim aware the inlet from an earlier 1.6 should physically bolt straight on, but i dont know effects that would have on the cooling side. i was going to bolt TBs onto one and hope for the best
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the 1.8s look like this, and have a different oil filler cap. also, that carbon cover wouldnt fit onto a 1.8 cam cover as the mounting points are in a different place
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cheers for the info. So as far as fitting is concerned, the 1.6 and 1.8 do have the same inlet pattern/size? but the water passages are different?

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quote:
Originally posted by Sly_SRi
sorry guys your all wrong. It IS a 1.8, i'll get the link...


It IS a C16XE engine BUT

you can't tell what cc it is
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http://opelt16.free.fr/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2096&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

something about changing the crank and pistons dont really undrestand french people
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It is easy, tehy simply put the crankshaft from the X18XE small block and its pistons to achieve 1800 cc.
Because I cannot fit a C20XE here in my country that is my favorite route if my 1.628 lts goes BANG!

But Mantzel want you to pay 10 000 euros for this

what a joke
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so theres no re bore or anything needed to fit the pistons and crank. would it fit a x16xe ? sounds like a good plan to me
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Dude, off course you need a rebore to 80 mm for the pistons. I can't remember now if they are 80 or 80,5mm.
You also need the crank of the small block X18XE and there you have a 1.8 ltr X16XE. some bearing and so on.

The car would have more torque but less happily to rev

Mantzel telling us they would charge 10 000 euros for a 1.8 is really a joke however
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stick with the 1.6 then and buy cams instead

 
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