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Scotty C

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16th Sep 07 at 22:11

Not sure if this should be in OD

But as the F1 and the superbikes were on today I watched some of each.

Then I started to think which are faster around a track?

I know top Gear did a test in a straight line and the superbike won to 60mph because the F1 car could only use 3/4 of the throttle, but as soon and it could use 100% throttle it went past...

But would a superbike be faster in the bends?

So, a full circuit mixed with straights and bends, which do you think would win?

Bearing in mind a typical superbike weights 200kg and has 220bhp so thats something stupid bhp/ton, but whats the weight of a F1 car? and what power do they push out?

that is all

jacko198

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16th Sep 07 at 22:14

f1 car has like 800bhp i think, from what i remember

22B

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16th Sep 07 at 22:14

The F1 car is faster in a straightline and round a track, a Motorbike doesnt generate downforce where as an F1 car has aerodynamic devices, can corner up around 5g

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16th Sep 07 at 22:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dd44ESOXm0

good video, f1 car gets a bad start, but in the 2nd race destroys the bike

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16th Sep 07 at 22:15

f1 car will win either way tbh mate, just bikes are much cooler.

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16th Sep 07 at 22:15

An F1 car would give it an even bigger beating around a track.

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16th Sep 07 at 22:15

going by your superbike power and weights would be 1100bhp per ton. dont f1 cars have 800bhpish, no sure what tehy weigh tho.
dunno what would corner faster tho

Scotty C

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16th Sep 07 at 22:18

The only reason I thought they were faster to like 100mph is the superbike couldn't use full throttle because the front would come up

F1 cars MUST weigh 800kg's?! complete guess

jacko198

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16th Sep 07 at 22:20

I read F1 cars have 300bhp per litre, and rev at 19,000 rpm!

Downforce would also be a major force in winning

Scotty C

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16th Sep 07 at 22:21

But what CC are they? 2.5?

Superbikes rev to somthing stupid too.

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16th Sep 07 at 22:22

i think F1 cars weigh around 650kg without the driver

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16th Sep 07 at 22:22

The new McLaren F1 is 730bhp but weighs 605kg. The power to weight ratio, pace and handling are all in the F1's favour tbh.

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16th Sep 07 at 22:22

weigh around 600 kg , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZkfJm7lv64, comparison of moto gp vs F1 on the same track, shows corner speeds and top speeds, not english though

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16th Sep 07 at 22:23

quote:
Originally posted by Monster
But what CC are they? 2.5?

Superbikes rev to somthing stupid too.

3.0l

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16th Sep 07 at 22:25

quote:
Originally posted by Lazarus

quote:
Originally posted by Monster
But what CC are they? 2.5?

Superbikes rev to somthing stupid too.

3.0l

F1 cars this year are a 2.4 V8 with a 19000 rpm limit

Scotty C

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16th Sep 07 at 22:26

only 3.0l? fook.

12 cyl I'd imigine?

Oh well, I thought it'd be close, still be interesting to find out how close

[Edited on 16-09-2007 by Monster]

Scotty C

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16th Sep 07 at 22:27

2.4 v8

Where do they find 800bhp from?

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16th Sep 07 at 22:28

F1 cars will lap quicker due to them being able to go round corners a lot faster

In a straight line, the F1 car would probably beat a Superbike, BUT there wouldn't be much in it against a GP bike

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16th Sep 07 at 22:29

F1 car would win because a bike cannot take corners as quick as an f1 car. Although I would think the bike could probably outbreak it??!!

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16th Sep 07 at 22:30

quote:
Originally posted by jimmy 2.1
F1 cars will lap quicker due to them being able to go round corners a lot faster

In a straight line, the F1 car would probably beat a Superbike, BUT there wouldn't be much in it against a GP bike

youd be suprised theres quite a bit, the video above shows a moto gp bike doing a 1.50 lap and the F1 car doing a 1.30, so a fair bit of difference

Scotty C

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16th Sep 07 at 22:30

The bhp/ton are VERY simuliar.

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16th Sep 07 at 22:31

22B, i said in a straight line.

Like i said before, the F1 cars don't need to slow down as much as a bike for corners, so can get round them a lot quicker

[Edited on 16-09-2007 by jimmy 2.1]

Scotty C

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16th Sep 07 at 22:32

quote:
Originally posted by liamcorsa
F1 car would win because a bike cannot take corners as quick as an f1 car. Although I would think the bike could probably outbreak it??!!

ah! you've reminded me about something, I was looking at the wheels on the F1 cars today and they look 12-13" max

so they've got to be the size of 1.6 corsa sport brakes?

[Edited on 16-09-2007 by Monster]

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16th Sep 07 at 22:32

quote:
Originally posted by liamcorsa
F1 car would win because a bike cannot take corners as quick as an f1 car. Although I would think the bike could probably outbreak it??!!

F1 cars can go from 0-100 then back down to 0 in 5 seconds!
Dunno about superbikes

Scotty C

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16th Sep 07 at 22:33

quote:
Originally posted by jacko198

quote:
Originally posted by liamcorsa
F1 car would win because a bike cannot take corners as quick as an f1 car. Although I would think the bike could probably outbreak it??!!

F1 cars can go from 0-100 then back down to 0 in 5 seconds!

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