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swill_omnibus

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Registered: 12th Dec 07
Location: : S. wales Drives: Dodge Caliber
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16th Dec 07 at 14:35

Hi all,

Thinking of taking rear seats out.

Where would i stand MOT time though? As of course its classed as a 5seater and id ideally be taking the whole rear seats out and the belts too.

Any help be cool,

Cheers

Ben G

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Registered: 12th Jan 07
Location: Essex
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16th Dec 07 at 14:38

will be fine as long as theres no seatbelts left

16V_1600

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16th Dec 07 at 14:38

quote:
Originally posted by swill_omnibus
Hi all,

Thinking of taking rear seats out.

Where would i stand MOT time though? As of course its classed as a 5seater and id ideally be taking the whole rear seats out and the belts too.

Any help be cool,

Cheers

As long as the belts come out as well as the seats, it's just like a van

swill_omnibus

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Registered: 12th Dec 07
Location: : S. wales Drives: Dodge Caliber
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16th Dec 07 at 14:42

Awesomeness! Cause i maydo this as an excuse not to carry any people in my car too hehe cause the trim is rubbing but thats on another topic!

But thinking of putting my current music system and spreading it to be in whole of back of the car too

B3KAN

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Registered: 15th Feb 07
Location: Inverness, Highland
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16th Dec 07 at 14:44

Aye will be fine aslong as the seats and belts are both removed

will just be tested as having 2 seats at time of test

Robin

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Registered: 7th Jan 04
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16th Dec 07 at 17:42

Shouldn't make any difference if the belts were still in either TBH.

phil_sutton

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Registered: 8th Sep 07
Location: Nottingham
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16th Dec 07 at 17:50

if they arent there they cant test them, simple as really.

corsa120

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Registered: 4th May 02
Location: Northamptonshire
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16th Dec 07 at 18:14

mine still has belts in passes mot easy they dont even mention it, just tuck them in the slots where ur damper nuts are.

AdamF

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Registered: 24th Apr 02
Location: Bexhill, East Sussex
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16th Dec 07 at 20:30

yeah belts can stay there, as without seats there not seat belts.

Toby

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16th Dec 07 at 20:31

someone on here posted not so long ago they failed as they had belts bnut no seats

Mike

Organiser: North West and North Wales
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16th Dec 07 at 22:18

I used to work in a garage and we failed a car with no rear seats but seatbelts, tester said if they were there, they had to be working properly, can't really work properly without the seats for passengers to sit in.

End of the day, if you've took your seats out you might aswell take the belts out, just extra weight that isn't needed

Jakey

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Registered: 4th Jun 07
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16th Dec 07 at 22:22

You can fail at our place for having belts and no seats.

B3KAN

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16th Dec 07 at 22:26

quote:
Originally posted by CorsaSriLad
You can fail at our place for having belts and no seats.

Same with my old work

swill_omnibus

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Registered: 12th Dec 07
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16th Dec 07 at 22:56

So /if/when i take my rear seats and belts out, i would have to let DVLA know then wouldn't i because it be classed as a 2seater then??

Butler

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16th Dec 07 at 23:07

Nah doesnt really matter in my experience. I declared it on insurance but thats it on all on my cars.

Robin

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16th Dec 07 at 23:09

quote:
Originally posted by B3KAN

quote:
Originally posted by CorsaSriLad
You can fail at our place for having belts and no seats.

Same with my old work

On what grounds though?

Surely the seat belts are still fully functional, and the seat isn't unsecured, as it's not there full stop?

B3KAN

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16th Dec 07 at 23:12

quote:
Originally posted by swill_omnibus
So /if/when i take my rear seats and belts out, i would have to let DVLA know then wouldn't i because it be classed as a 2seater then??

No you dont need to tell any1 it will be on your mot cetificate that it had 2 seats at time of test meaning you can refit them when ever you want

All it is, is to cover the mot stations back if anything were to happen ie you refitted your seats and had an accident and the rear seatbelts failed, then the mot station cant be held liable as they wernt fitted when the car was motd

Robin

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16th Dec 07 at 23:14

I wouldn't tell the DVLA, it'd be a pain in the arse when you wanted to put seats back in and told them, they'd probably want an engineers report to say they were installed correctly.

Insurance would be a good idea though, as it's a modification...

B3KAN

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16th Dec 07 at 23:14

quote:
Originally posted by Robin

quote:
Originally posted by B3KAN

quote:
Originally posted by CorsaSriLad
You can fail at our place for having belts and no seats.

Same with my old work

On what grounds though?

Surely the seat belts are still fully functional, and the seat isn't unsecured, as it's not there full stop?

On the grounds that there are rear seatbelts fitted but no seats

Bit pointless having belts but no seats

Robin

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Registered: 7th Jan 04
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16th Dec 07 at 23:17

How is it a fail though? I'm fairly sure there won't be anything in the MOT handbook to say that it's a fail with belts but no seats.

I'm not saying it's not pointless, it'd be stupid to do one and not the other TBH, but I still don't see how it can fail on it.

Mike

Organiser: North West and North Wales
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16th Dec 07 at 23:20

They can't really operate properly without the seats, anything that's fitted must operate properly, therefore it's a fail

Robin

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16th Dec 07 at 23:24

They clip in properly, even without the seat there, that's operating correctly still.

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_510.htm
http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_620.htm

Nothing in either of those pages says anything along the lines of "If a seat belt is fitted without a seat" under the reasons for rejection column.

[Edited on 16-12-2007 by Robin]

Mike

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16th Dec 07 at 23:33

I've worked with 2 testers who both said that it's a fail because the seat belt cannot operate properly ie, hold someone in a seat in the event of an accident, if there is no seat for them to sit in

I couldn't tell you if there is anything in the MOT handbook, but the 2 testers both said that when I asked them, 1 of the testers had only recently done the MOT course too, it may have been mentioned there

[Edited on 16-12-2007 by Mike B]

Robin

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16th Dec 07 at 23:37

So it's the seat which is the fail then, or lack of seat, not the belt?

The belt just has to be securely mounted, undamaged, work and retract properly, which it still would, with or without a seat.

The fact that there's nothing to sit in to use that belt doesn't come into it in the book, or my brother's VW Touran would fail it's MOT if the rear seats were folder into the floor.

Mike

Organiser: North West and North Wales
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Location: nr. Skipton, North Yorkshire
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16th Dec 07 at 23:53

quote:
Originally posted by Robin
So it's the seat which is the fail then, or lack of seat, not the belt?

The belt just has to be securely mounted, undamaged, work and retract properly, which it still would, with or without a seat.

The fact that there's nothing to sit in to use that belt doesn't come into it in the book, or my brother's VW Touran would fail it's MOT if the rear seats were folder into the floor.

Yeah, s'pose it is the seat that's the fail then, but the seats in the Touran are still there aren't they, they're just folded down, when there's no seat at all it's a fail

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