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Sam

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9th Jul 09 at 19:44

Anyone here use it? I've been trying it on and off recently and it seems pretty good, only got a WinXP and Ubuntu box going but still

One question I had about this sort of thing - if I were to run Ubuntu on my laptop (instead of Vista), could I use Sun VirtualBox to run an XP box on it and use memory hungry apps like Photoshop etc. (which obviously you can't run on Linux platforms) on it?

I'm getting fed up of Vista's crapness and I don't want to go back to a 7 year old OS again

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9th Jul 09 at 20:46

I run it at work and at home in the same way that you do and like you say, I've never had any problems with it

Thought of using WINE instead of a VM? That being said, I can't see why if you've got enough physical RAM it should be a problem. Only one way to find out

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9th Jul 09 at 20:51

Dual boot the laptop Sam. You can run Vista is Virtual Box but it will lag.

You will also find you do not have any USB support using VMWare and Virtual PC.

HyperV is pretty cool but you need two NICs to actually run Server 2008 and an OS.

Although half that shit you don't need to know

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9th Jul 09 at 21:17

Pointless having a dual boot as I want to access everything at the same time.

I wouldn't install Vista in a virtual box, just XP as it would be quicker.

I did think of WINE but some people say apps like Photoshop don't work too well in it?

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9th Jul 09 at 23:44

Install 7.

Laney

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10th Jul 09 at 07:53

quote:
Originally posted by Sam
Pointless having a dual boot as I want to access everything at the same time.

I wouldn't install Vista in a virtual box, just XP as it would be quicker.

I did think of WINE but some people say apps like Photoshop don't work too well in it?

This might be worth a read: http://appdb.winehq.org/
I can't see why a VM with a decent amount of ram would struggle with a real copy of CS3/4 though.

[Edited on 10-07-2009 by Laney]

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10th Jul 09 at 08:19

quote:
Originally posted by John
Install 7.

Is it as fast as XP (and faster than Vista)?

Sam

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10th Jul 09 at 08:20

quote:
Originally posted by Laney

quote:
Originally posted by Sam
Pointless having a dual boot as I want to access everything at the same time.

I wouldn't install Vista in a virtual box, just XP as it would be quicker.

I did think of WINE but some people say apps like Photoshop don't work too well in it?

This might be worth a read: http://appdb.winehq.org/
I can't see why a VM with a decent amount of ram would struggle with a real copy of CS3/4 though.

[Edited on 10-07-2009 by Laney]

Thanks mate, I'll have a look at that link now.

My laptop has 2Gb RAM (sadly can't upgrade any more in it), I think that should be OK?

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10th Jul 09 at 09:05

run VirtualBox on ubuntu to run XP if I need EPC or something, very clever stuff for free.

Laney

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10th Jul 09 at 10:08

quote:
Originally posted by Sam

quote:
Originally posted by Laney

quote:
Originally posted by Sam
Pointless having a dual boot as I want to access everything at the same time.

I wouldn't install Vista in a virtual box, just XP as it would be quicker.

I did think of WINE but some people say apps like Photoshop don't work too well in it?

This might be worth a read: http://appdb.winehq.org/
I can't see why a VM with a decent amount of ram would struggle with a real copy of CS3/4 though.

[Edited on 10-07-2009 by Laney]

Thanks mate, I'll have a look at that link now.

My laptop has 2Gb RAM (sadly can't upgrade any more in it), I think that should be OK?

If you're only running 1 app at a time on it, 512mb should be enough shouldn't it? Could always crank it to a gig if need be I guess - I'm not sure what CS2/3 etc needs.

I've used VMware in the past too, have you had a look at that? There isn't really that much difference apart from VMWare can be run as a service which may or may not be helpful.

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10th Jul 09 at 11:10

7 is great, i never used Vista but 7 is alot better than XP when you get the hang of it

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10th Jul 09 at 11:26

quote:
Originally posted by John
Install 7.

+1

Also it comes with a free copy of XP...uses Microsofts VM though. It's quite cool you can legacy apps without running the virtual OS.

Failing that, nothing wrong with VirtualBox, I use it all the time, great for running GNU/Linux OS'

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10th Jul 09 at 12:46

Might buy 7 when it comes up if it's better than Vista and XP. I just like XP's smaller footprint TBH.

Another Linux question - I use RDC in Vista to connect to my XP server box when I'm out of town, can I still do this in Linux or would I have to do this using the VirtualBox?

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14th Jul 09 at 12:26

quote:
Originally posted by Andrew
Dual boot the laptop Sam. You can run Vista is Virtual Box but it will lag.

You will also find you do not have any USB support using VMWare and Virtual PC.

HyperV is pretty cool but you need two NICs to actually run Server 2008 and an OS.

Although half that shit you don't need to know

VMWare does offer USB support, that's how i update my iPod's firmware - XP SP3 on VMWare as well as run OSX.

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14th Jul 09 at 12:39

quote:
Originally posted by Sam

Another Linux question - I use RDC in Vista to connect to my XP server box when I'm out of town, can I still do this in Linux or would I have to do this using the VirtualBox?

I believe there are a few alternatives, I've used RDesktop before: http://www.rdesktop.org/

Sam

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14th Jul 09 at 13:57

Thanks

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15th Jul 09 at 08:24

you running ubuntu?

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15th Jul 09 at 08:35

The only issue you will have with using rdesktop from linux, is microsofts gay 30 day access license... Basically, as your not connecting from an XP Pro platform, you can only use and access a remote desktop client for 30 days which is a gay shitter...

So make a bash script up (which I did for getting access to the Uni termserv beyond the 30 days)

code:
paulw@aspire ~ $ cat /usr/local/bin/rdeskuni

#!/bin/bash



#connect to uni termserv with random hostname.



rdeskhostname="$(date | md5sum)";

rdeskhostname=${rdeskhostname:0:8}



echo "Connecting to UNI TermServ with hostname '"$rdeskhostname"'..."

rdesktop -g 1024x768 -a 16bpp -n ${rdeskhostname} terminalserver.cms.livjm.ac.uk

Just replace **terminalserver.cms.livjm.ac.uk** with the required hostname you want to connect to. Doing this, each time you connect, windows thinks your coming from a new hostname instead of the default one and so always dishes out a new license

[Edited on 15-07-2009 by PaulW]

willay

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15th Jul 09 at 08:42

thats weird Paul, I've never had that issue with rdesktop

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15th Jul 09 at 10:49

That looks like a terminal server licence problem on a server system that you would get accessing from a windows computer as well.

I've never heard anything about 30 day licences for RDP, the only thing close is a 90 day trial period for terminal services on server.

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15th Jul 09 at 13:36

quote:
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Dual boot the laptop Sam. You can run Vista is Virtual Box but it will lag.

HyperV is pretty cool but you need two NICs to actually run Server 2008 and an OS.

Strange I have Vista 64 running happily on my desktop at work under VMware along with USB interfaces

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15th Jul 09 at 13:37

quote:
Originally posted by ENB
Also it comes with a free copy of XP...uses Microsofts VM though. It's quite cool you can legacy apps without running the virtual OS.

This is only the case of the Pro and above version (the current RC is the ultimate but will time out) Note you also need the VT capable hardware to do it as well so it will not work on ll hardware.

Sam

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15th Jul 09 at 18:58

quote:
Originally posted by willay
you running ubuntu?

I have it installed as a virtual box under Vista but I plan to use Ubuntu as my main OS if I can use all the Windows stuff I always use in a Windows box in it.

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15th Jul 09 at 19:49

I've found Windows runs much quicker on VBox that as the primary OS.

The 3d and video capability is much better than the other free alternatives I've used.

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