bigdan
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Why the hell has Fedor signed with strikeforce
the deal cant be as good as the ufc offered and the competition is about as good as gabriel gonzaga is in the ufc!
Strange decision some 1 who is just looking to line his pockets in fights
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MoesTavern
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He is managed/controlled by M-1 who apparently wanted co-promotion rights with the UFC on his fights (half the profits basically) and Dana White wouldn't agree to it.
Shame really as Fedor vs Brock Lesnar would have been awesome.
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Nothing to do with money so he's either shirking the top level competition (which I doubt) or it is purely based on his shit management structure and the fact they refuse to let him fight in ANY organisation unless they are co-promoting his fights.
The UFC reportedly offered him a 5 fight $2 million dollars a pop deal with no strings attached - no promotion time needed from him and he was free to compete in his Sambo competitions. He won't get that anywhere else. Quicker he gets rid of his management the better, we may still get to see Lesnar v Fedor down the road 
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Lesnar is a brutal guy, I'm sure you'd do anything to avoid a scrap with him.
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MoesTavern
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It would certainly be an interesting match given that Fedor hasn't really fought anybody decent since 2005 or so.
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Discussion about this going on over on cagewarriors.com if you want to have a read(11 page thread)
Here
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bigboykarl
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it's only a 3 fight 12 month contract with strikeforce....it'll give lesnar time to fight carwin and velasquez..by then he should be ready for fedor....
finkelstein must be mad if he thinks dana is going to give half of the profits to m1 ..i mean how many americans know of fedor?? and with ufc 100 doing a supposed 1.7 million ppv thats a lot of revenue to be splitting with one man whos last affliction show did about 100,000 ppv
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Originally posted by bigboykarl
it's only a 3 fight 12 month contract with strikeforce....it'll give lesnar time to fight carwin and velasquez..by then he should be ready for fedor....
finkelstein must be mad if he thinks dana is going to give half of the profits to m1 ..i mean how many americans know of fedor?? and with ufc 100 doing a supposed 1.7 million ppv thats a lot of revenue to be splitting with one man whos last affliction show did about 100,000 ppv
The length of contract isn't the problem, what's going to be the difference between now and next year? UFC can't offer him any more than they already have there is only 1 sticking point and that doesn't look like changing.
Most Americans know of Fedor if they are in any way into MMA, he is renowned as the pound for pound best fighter on the planet which has only been strengthened by Anderson Silva's last 2 outings.
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Dana White is a twat.. he really should sign Fedor but doesnt want to.
Also UFC should become part of WAMMA or whatever its called. But again they like being out there on their own.
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Hammer
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You should listen to the phone in on the UFC website Steve, although he is a complete mouthpiece and a total cunt there was genuinely nothing he could do.
There's no other sticking point to the entire deal other than the fact they want to co-promote any fight featuring Fedor which is absolutely ludicrous. UFC is the biggest mma organisation by miles, Fedor's management team are bringing nothing new to the table.
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bigboykarl
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Dana White is a twat.. he really should sign Fedor but doesnt want to.
Also UFC should become part of WAMMA or whatever its called. But again they like being out there on their own.
dana white has done more for mma than any other person in the whole world...first they got it sanctioned ..then they brought it to the masses with tuf....
dana wants nothing more than to sign fedor..but they want to co promote ...so the ufc have spent 7 years building this monster company to give half away for one fighter .... rumour was fedor was offered a 6 fight $30million contract..he was allowed to fight sambo tournaments and everything else he wanted which wasn't offered in negs in 2008
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UFC isn't the be all and end all of MMA though, Say Fedor does sign for them, fights Lesnar and beats him. Then what? Who else is there to fight in UFC's heavyweight division? There isn't really anywhere for him to go after that.
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Originally posted by MoesTavern
UFC isn't the be all and end all of MMA though, Say Fedor does sign for them, fights Lesnar and beats him. Then what? Who else is there to fight in UFC's heavyweight division? There isn't really anywhere for him to go after that.
Then he goes about proving he is the best in the world by facing Couture, Mir, Velasquez, Carwin, Nog and even down the line to guys like Herring, Congo, Gonzalez and CroCrop.
Strikeforce is Leyton Orient and UFC is Man United, he should want to compete with the best.
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most americans know of fedor
The length of contract isn't the problem, what's going to be the difference between now and next year? UFC can't offer him any more than they already have there is only 1 sticking point and that doesn't look like changing.
Most Americans know of Fedor if they are in any way into MMA, he is renowned as the pound for pound best fighter on the planet which has only been strengthened by Anderson Silva's last 2 outings.
most hardcore mma fans know of fedor....they probably account for less than 25% of ppv's buys and buy most cards..and thats why affliction only managed between 100-200,000 ppv buys for day of reckoning which was a top card ...it's the casual mma in the usa who's never heard of pride or fedor that only know of ufc and tuf that buy the majority of ppv's
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I guarantee you if you asked any person that has even a passing interest in mma, they'll know Fedor. If he wasn't the most infamous fighter on the planet prior to the UFC negotiations then he is now. The commentators on UFC have even name checked him numerous times.
EDIT: They all know of Pride as well ffs The commentators comment on that in every fight and the ring announcer even acknowledges former champions before fights.
[Edited on 07-08-2009 by Hammer]
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UFC isn't the be all and end all of MMA though, Say Fedor does sign for them, fights Lesnar and beats him. Then what? Who else is there to fight in UFC's heavyweight division? There isn't really anywhere for him to go after that.
Then he goes about proving he is the best in the world by facing Couture, Mir, Velasquez, Carwin, Nog and even down the line to guys like Herring, Congo, Gonzalez and CroCrop.
Strikeforce is Leyton Orient and UFC is Man United, he should want to compete with the best.
He's beaten Nog, Herring and Cro Cop already though. Plus I think most people would have him down to beat Couture, Carwin and the rest.
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Most people would have him down to beat everyone, doesn't work that way.
Couture, Lesnar, Carwin and Velasquez would all give him a fight. We'll never see how he'd cope with the power of a Lesnar or Velasque though because he's dodging them by signing for 2 bob promotions full of washed up heavyweights not good enough for the UFC.
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Originally posted by Hammer
I guarantee you if you asked any person that has even a passing interest in mma, they'll know Fedor. If he wasn't the most infamous fighter on the planet prior to the UFC negotiations then he is now. The commentators on UFC have even name checked him numerous times.
EDIT: They all know of Pride as well ffs The commentators comment on that in every fight and the ring announcer even acknowledges former champions before fights.
[Edited on 07-08-2009 by Hammer]
so then if they all know pride and fedor why did day of reckoning only sell 100-200k ppvs
poor ufc cards sell 500k and good ones 800k to 1 million
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Originally posted by Hammer
I guarantee you if you asked any person that has even a passing interest in mma, they'll know Fedor. If he wasn't the most infamous fighter on the planet prior to the UFC negotiations then he is now. The commentators on UFC have even name checked him numerous times.
EDIT: They all know of Pride as well ffs The commentators comment on that in every fight and the ring announcer even acknowledges former champions before fights.
[Edited on 07-08-2009 by Hammer]
so then if they all know pride and fedor why did day of reckoning only sell 100-200k ppvs
poor ufc cards sell 500k and good ones 800k to 1 million
Because their card focused solely on seeing 1 fighter, the undercard and normally his opponent are of a poor quality. If you've watched 1 UFC ppv then you'll know about Fedor and Pride, they're mentioned all the time. If you go on to UFC's website just now Dana White talks about Fedor for half an hour.
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Most people would have him down to beat everyone, doesn't work that way.
Couture, Lesnar, Carwin and Velasquez would all give him a fight. We'll never see how he'd cope with the power of a Lesnar or Velasque though because he's dodging them by signing for 2 bob promotions full of washed up heavyweights not good enough for the UFC.
Dunno like I think Overeem, Werdum and Rogers would give him as much trouble if not more than Carwin and Velasquez, Couture would not beat him.
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yeah and as if strikeforce can provide any opponents for him.....overeem..ha shogun a lhw did him twice
brett rogers ok he beat arlovski but nobody else in his 10-0 record
fabricio werdum well dos santos beat him recently but has lost to big nog and arlovski ....
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Hammer
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I think he'll finish Overeem and Werdum within 1 round. Never seen Rogers so couldn't comment. Nog has beat all these guys though and Fedor despatched of him as you said.
Either way the depth of heavyweight talent and the fights the fans want to see are in the UFC.
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Oh I agree that not going to the UFC will be bad for him, Lesnar is the main threat to heavyweights across the board, and financially he would be set up for life although he doesn't seem to care too much about that.
I just disagree that Strikeforce is a two-bit organisation with no decent heavyweights. There are a number of decent opponents there for Fedor.
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by bigboykarl
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Originally posted by Hammer
I guarantee you if you asked any person that has even a passing interest in mma, they'll know Fedor. If he wasn't the most infamous fighter on the planet prior to the UFC negotiations then he is now. The commentators on UFC have even name checked him numerous times.
EDIT: They all know of Pride as well ffs The commentators comment on that in every fight and the ring announcer even acknowledges former champions before fights.
[Edited on 07-08-2009 by Hammer]
so then if they all know pride and fedor why did day of reckoning only sell 100-200k ppvs
poor ufc cards sell 500k and good ones 800k to 1 million
what so day of reckoning had no other quality fights or fighters
josh barnett vs gilbert yvel
babalu vs sodokjou or however u spell it
belfort vs lindland
there's 4 top bouts
Because their card focused solely on seeing 1 fighter, the undercard and normally his opponent are of a poor quality. If you've watched 1 UFC ppv then you'll know about Fedor and Pride, they're mentioned all the time. If you go on to UFC's website just now Dana White talks about Fedor for half an hour.
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You're trying to suggest most casual fans have never heard of Fedor and then saying they should know Barnett v Yvel is a quality fight 
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