DannyB
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As mentioned in HERE my mate crashed his 205 because of some idiotic driving from the civic, it was his first outing in the 205 after his supercharged 106 threw a rod out the block 2 weeks previous, thoughts?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJzovUg3GeY
[Edited on 25-07-2010 by DannyB]
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Nath
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The fuck was the Civic driver doing?
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DannyB
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He pulled in to let the 2 Evos by which were on his bumper, then decided to pull out and cause a crash, didn't even stop to see if he was ok.
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Eddx14xe
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The civic didnt even look damaged when he drove off?
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DannyB
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NSR quater was caved in, I also heard the engine blew up later on, yes, the marshalls let him back on track after this! it was turbo'd aswell.
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All Torque
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What did he do, clip the Civic's front wheel and just roll? Thats mad 
Seems track etiquette (sp) gets thrown out the window at some events...
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DannyB
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His brakes had no effect as he was coming over the crest of the hill (into the chicane) hit the NSR quater and it tipped him over, complete write off.
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Nath
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quote:
Originally posted by DannyB
He pulled in to let the 2 Evos by which were on his bumper, then decided to pull out and cause a crash, didn't even stop to see if he was ok.
Yeah noticed he drove off.
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Eddx14xe
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Atleast he is ok.
Did the civic driver offer to pay for damage on the car etc?
Or is that a silly question since he just drove off
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DannyB
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Didn't offer anything, the silver Evo was partly to blame as he was right on the Civics bumper hasseling him, he has been getting stick over on TS recently (before this) about tailgaiting people at track events.
[Edited on 24-07-2010 by DannyB]
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JonnyJ
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Poor driving from the Civic owner, basically stopped in the middle of a chicane surely should have waited until after the chicane to let them through?
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FlamingCorsa
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bit of a tough one really, cos if u go with the rules i have been tought then the civic should have just stayed a head of the evo's etc till the next straight and just held them up till it was safe to pass! but he let them past and only had small place to pull back in!
you could c the civic was gonna have to pull back onto racing line cos was never gonna come to complete stand still to let whole field pass so maybe the 205 should have expected it to happen and eased off!
its always a risk on track day, i been on few and all have been well organised and never actually seen 2 cars crash! yet!
still pretty gutting for both guys to have had cars damaged! least everyone is ok
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DannyB
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Not sure if he couldn't see him as the 205 might have been in the dip of the hill, still, you dont just randomly pull out on to the track, even the cossie just missed him.
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ianofbhills
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At the end of the day your mate in the 205 drove into the civic not the other way round despite what actions the civic driver had carried out.
It looked well visible and avoidable in the video imo probably different at the time though.
Civic didnt stop because he didnt want to get hit by anybody else not seeing him.
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FlamingCorsa
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looking again the 205 driver didnt have much time to ease off, really unlucky for that to have made him roll :-(
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Limecat
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To be honest, from the view of the car and having not driven around Knockhill (it looks like that am I right?) it is hard to say if the Civic was just holding the outside line of the track to let people pass on the left?
It doesn't look that way?
Saying that, when you gain that much ground in that much time approaching a hazard then you should be a bit more cautious.
Not nice for it to happen to anyone but when you go on track you know the risks and all too often people treat it as a race (I certainly have) when it is supposed to be a 'fast driving day'.
He can't exactly stop on the apex of a corner, well, not again ( ) with fast traffic potentially coming up. You respond to the marshalls, that's what they are there for.
[Edited on 24-07-2010 by LETGSI16V]
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Corsa_Sport21
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IMO they were both in the wrong from different aspects.
Civic driver shouldnt have let the Evo's passed on the corner,should have waited till the straight.
205 driver shouldnt have took the risk of trying to pass on the corner.Looks pretty easy to read ahead and see that the Civic is going to be in his path 1 way or another.
As for the Civic just driving off,well thats arguable too.Cant exactly just pull up at the side and get out etc.Thatd be pretty dangerous on a track.
Did they speak to each other later on??
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DannyB
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quote:
Originally posted by ianofbhills
At the end of the day your mate in the 205 drove into the civic not the other way round despite what actions the civic driver had carried out.
How could he stop?
Coming in to the chicane in 3rd and braking up and onto a hill, there was no way he was going to be able to stop. He slammed on the brakes and they did nothing, the civic driver shouldnt have crawled round he corner. He could have gone to the right of the tyres, stopped on the grass or waited to see if anything was coming. Instead he pulled back in to the racing line then slammed the brakes on. It was un-avoidable.
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DannyB
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Originally posted by Corsa_Sport21
As for the Civic just driving off,well thats arguable too.Cant exactly just pull up at the side and get out etc.Thatd be pretty dangerous on a track.
Did they speak to each other later on??
He could pull on to the grass and wait for the marshalls to wave the red flag, that's what he should have done. They did briefly but not sure what was said, I wasnt there at the time.
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Alex_Rally
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in this situation would any cash change hands ??? do u need to have insurance for track days ???
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Limecat
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quote:
Originally posted by DannyB
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Originally posted by ianofbhills
At the end of the day your mate in the 205 drove into the civic not the other way round despite what actions the civic driver had carried out.
How could he stop?
Coming in to the chicane in 3rd and braking up and onto a hill, there was no way he was going to be able to stop. He slammed on the brakes and they did nothing, the civic driver shouldnt have crawled round he corner. He could have gone to the right of the tyres, stopped on the grass or waited to see if anything was coming. Instead he pulled back in to the racing line then slammed the brakes on. It was un-avoidable.
It certainly wasn't unavoidable. As I watched the video I was expecting something a bit 'sudden' but that was well readable IMO.
Does your friend do that track often? 
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Originally posted by geordie_corsa
in this situation would any cash change hands ??? do u need to have insurance for track days ???
No, it is at the owners risk but track day cover is available.
[Edited on 24-07-2010 by LETGSI16V]
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ianofbhills
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The cars behind your mate in the 205 managed to avoid a bigger incident though so it was avoidable for them in the same circumstances.
siler evo driver is a knob for tailgating like that but i can see his frustration. The evo is clearly faster around the bends but it cant get past the turbo'd civic on the straights.
Civic driver is in the wrong for doing what he did but your mate isnt the innocent party here like your making him out to be.
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am4nf
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quote:
Originally posted by ianofbhills
At the end of the day your mate in the 205 drove into the civic not the other way round despite what actions the civic driver had carried out.
Ok so your driving along the motorway and the car in the left lane decides to pull out doing 40mph while your passing at 70mph you lock up and slam into the car, but its your fault as you drove into them 
Thats not the way it works, the civic pulled out when it should have stayed in, simples
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harrisp
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The civic driver didnt mean to pull out on your mate, no one is perfect and he just made a mistake like any person on here could do, the worlds best driver could have made the mistake.
Also watching the video he can see what the driver in the civic was doing (braking) yet still tried to pass him balls out speed.
[Edited on 24-07-2010 by harrisp]
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am4nf
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quote:
Originally posted by ianofbhills
The cars behind your mate in the 205 managed to avoid a bigger incident though so it was avoidable for them in the same circumstances.
siler evo driver is a knob for tailgating like that but i can see his frustration. The evo is clearly faster around the bends but it cant get past the turbo'd civic on the straights.
Civic driver is in the wrong for doing what he did but your mate isnt the innocent party here like your making him out to be.
Also the cars behind if you notice had time to avoid it by going onto the grass around the crash
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