bigboykarl
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/03/eurofighter_nao_analysis/
to paraphrase it's shit,and more expensive the the f22
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Steve
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heres my analysis
http://www.corsasport.co.uk/board/viewthread.php?tid=586818&page=32
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Steve
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The Eurofighter is a fairly capable aircraft, its instability makes it highly manouvrable, however as a result it cant fly with computer aid.
the problem is we have the rest of europe mixed up with the development of it, we need to start making our own military aircraft in GB again.
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bigboykarl
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totally agree...fuck europe..your models are ace by the way 
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ed
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Yeah, apart from EADS make some pretty impressive kit. I'd love to see what we'd come up with on our own.
[Edited on 06-03-2011 by ed]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uialmgaUlcE&feature=related
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Steve
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quote:
Originally posted by ed
Yeah, apart from EADS make some pretty impressive kit. I'd love to see what we'd come up with on our own.
[Edited on 06-03-2011 by ed]
those were decent, scrapped for monetary purposes, but they were highly capable aircraft for what they were designed
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gavin18787
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Not just the plane though MOD arnt good with their money. Ie the story the other week about buying 65p light bulbs for £22
Drives supercharged Tec with torque  
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Jambo
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F22
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Steve
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the F35 should be a good buy though when the RAF get there hands them
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Ste
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Fucking LOL!
That is the biggest load of shite I've read in a long while.
I haven't seen a single piece of actual fact in that report at all. If you believe any of that you are an idiot! The EFA isn't the most expensive a/c out there. the F22 is by about £30m per unit. The F22 isn't available on the export market anyway. Obama made sure it could never be sold to anyone but the USA.
The other crap I can't even be arsed talking about because if you believe that report then you are too stupid to understand me telling you otherwise.
I would rather lose by a mile because i built my own car, than win by an inch because someone else built it for me.
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Steve
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can you look at my finished efa please
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Ste
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i have. There are numerous errors so didn't want to comment and make you upset
I would rather lose by a mile because i built my own car, than win by an inch because someone else built it for me.
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Ste W
Fucking LOL!
That is the biggest load of shite I've read in a long while.
I haven't seen a single piece of actual fact in that report at all. If you believe any of that you are an idiot! The EFA isn't the most expensive a/c out there. the F22 is by about £30m per unit. The F22 isn't available on the export market anyway. Obama made sure it could never be sold to anyone but the USA.
The other crap I can't even be arsed talking about because if you believe that report then you are too stupid to understand me telling you otherwise.
Any chance of elaborating why the article is a load of shite?
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Ste
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OK then
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the Eurofighter has no stealth features at all.
Total bollocks. Although there are no published details of the radar signatures of either a/c, the EFA has many stealth features. A few examples are; ramped inlets so from the front of the a/c there is no way of seeing the engine, which has a massive reflective surface. All leading edges of the a/c are all coated with RADAR absorbing material which stops the RADAR signal being reflected. It also has extremely powerful and reliable ECM and ECCM capabilities meaning that even if it is spotted by RADAR it can return it's own response to either jam or disorient the seeking RADAR. The four AMRAAM missiles are "buried" into the underbelly to hide them from RADAR. There are also many other features that I know I can't talk about so I won't.
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The Raptor is a hugely more sophisticated and powerful aircraft, and is actually – astonishingly – somewhat cheaper, despite the fact that it is being made in much smaller numbers than the Eurofighter!
This is a crock of shit. The Raptor is considerably more expensive than EFA. We had a briefing 2 weeks ago to lean our process to lose 900 hours from our stage of the build to get the a/c to the circa £75m mark. The Raptor costs £135m per unit.
Yes the Raptor is more powerful. it has to be, it is twice the weight. It is also unfair to compare the two a/c as they are designed for different roles. The Rapter is a pure air-air fighter. It isn't designed for bombing and in that arena the EFA far out performs it. The EFA is designed as multi-role and is a fighter-attack a/c.
As for being more sophisticated, the F22 does have E-scan RADAR, but the M-scan (CAPTOR) in the EFA has many more years of development behind it and is developed off the back of the Blue Vixen RADAR from the Sea Harrier FA-2 which won us the Falklands (don't forget, it was 20 Harriers versus 200+ Mirage III/V and Daggers of the AAF) and that was down to the Blue Vixen RADAR. and the ability of the Harrier to spot the enemy before they spotted us. (The AAF ordered their pilots to dump their stores and RTB if they ever got RADAR lock from a Harrier)
The CAPTOR is 130kg lighter than the CAPTOR-E (E-scan) so when it is upgraded they'll need to add 220kg at the tail end to keep the C of G.
This year (in July I think) the first front fuselage is being built at Samlesbury to be equipped with E-scan which by the time the EFA version goes into production will be a generation above the F22. There are also EJ200 engines in Rolls Royce with thrust vectoring. They need no structural changes to the airframe, just more powerful oil pumps and oil coolers on the a/c.
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Probably the most dismal figure we are given is that the RAF will actually put into service just 107 Typhoons. At the moment it has received 70: the last of the 160 planes ordered by the UK will be delivered in 2015. But, we are told, "by 2019" all the Tranche 1 jets (which were still being delivered to the RAF at the start of 2008) will be "retired" – that is, thrown away. We'll pay for 160 jets (actually we'll pay for 2321), but we'll only ever get a fleet of 107.
Total misinformation there! The Trance 1 a/c go through a midlife update to bring them to Tranche 2/3 spec. this is currently being done at Warton and RAF Conningsby. There is talk of the government selling the Tranche 1 a/c to countries like Poland etc. as they have cut the budgets so much they need to get money from somewhere. They will NEVER be "thrown away" 
The numbers there are crap too. Our government are so shit at putting the money up they are selling 24 of our Tranche 2 a/c to Saudi and then upping the Tranche 3 order by 24 to make up for it. That contract is now signed which the article doesn't say.
I could go on.......
I would rather lose by a mile because i built my own car, than win by an inch because someone else built it for me.
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Russ
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SteveW. Internet.
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Ronson
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I think this thread gave Ste W internet RAGE.
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bigboykarl
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quote:
Originally posted by Ste W
Fucking LOL!
That is the biggest load of shite I've read in a long while.
I haven't seen a single piece of actual fact in that report at all. If you believe any of that you are an idiot! The EFA isn't the most expensive a/c out there. the F22 is by about £30m per unit. The F22 isn't available on the export market anyway. Obama made sure it could never be sold to anyone but the USA.
The other crap I can't even be arsed talking about because if you believe that report then you are too stupid to understand me telling you otherwise.
tbh i posted it for your input,i was interested what you'd make of it
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Ben J
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Tbh I've heard the Eurofighter is crap. I won't be buying one.
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spencer88
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben J
Tbh I've heard the Eurofighter is crap. I won't be buying one.
I'm out.
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Ronson
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quote:
Originally posted by Ben J
Tbh I've heard the Eurofighter is crap. I won't be buying one.
Fuck that then, I'm out too.
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Ben J
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Guess that's the group buy screwed then?
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Ronson
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I'd say so. I think I'll buy a Raptor instead.
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Ste
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I'm still mad lol
I would rather lose by a mile because i built my own car, than win by an inch because someone else built it for me.
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