Sam
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Seeing as it's some years since we last had to have broadband activated etc. I need to ask, do you just leave your router on until it eventually gets a DSL connection or are you supposed to regularly turn it off/on until it connects on the date of activation?
Router is a D Link 2640S from Sky (although this will change after the 10 day sync period  )
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John
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Leave it on, it'll come on as soon as the broadband is active.
Sky don't normally turn it on until activation date though so you'll probably just waste electricity until then.
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Sam
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Sorry I meant today is the activation date, I've only taken the router out of the box and set it up this morning.
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Nismo
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You might find that it comes on early but its a crap speed, then on activation date your profile will be configured correctly and your speed should improve.
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John
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Sky use 10 day line training, unless its a dodgy line though it should be at the final speed pretty quickly.
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Sam
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Well the broadband got activated about 5 minutes after my last post funnily enough, I logged into the Sky router and it's sync'd at 4Mb exactly, speedtest.net results as below:
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Gary
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That's as bad as my DL speed. Shit area for speed here.
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Matty SRi
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Mine was pretty much the same speed with sky when i had UP to 20mb. Cancelled, got virgin fibre optic up t0 10mb, and now i get 9. something.
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spencer88
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I would love that speed 
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Sam
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I think the above speeds are about the best I can hope for TBH, I went on that kitz.co.uk website and it says:
BT Line Speed Estimation
Fixed ADSL: 2048 kbps (2 Mb)
DSL Max: 5500 kbps (5.5 Mb)
21CN WBC : 7000 kbps (7 Mb)
I am about 1.3km away from the exchange box apparently (as the crow flies I guess that is), oh well 
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spencer88
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Exchange: Truro BT Code: WWTRUR
Location: Calenick Street, TR1 2JQ
Distance:- Direct: 5.74 km
(appx)* By Road: 7.89 km
Fixed ADSL: 256 kbps (0.3 Mb)
DSL Max: 1000 kbps (1 Mb)
21CN WBC : 1000 kbps (1 Mb)
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Sam
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Wow that is terrible mate
Are you able to get cable broadband in your area? If so, I would get that if I were you, as your exchange is quite a distance from your home hence the shit speeds quoted.
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spencer88
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That is all we can get in our area.
Up until last year I think only half the village could get internet.
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Sam
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What about mobile broadband, can you get that in your area?
I remember reading once in the news about some village where all the residents paid to have their Internet service as BT and Virgin wouldn't spend the money! 
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spencer88
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quote:
Originally posted by Sam
What about mobile broadband, can you get that in your area?
I remember reading once in the news about some village where all the residents paid to have their Internet service as BT and Virgin wouldn't spend the money!
The village has approached BT before about putting a faster line in and us all paying but they wont!
I have heard 3 Mobile Dongle in the area gets up to 3mb, but dont know how well it would cope with the PS3 on it.
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Sam
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8618507.stm these guys had to raise £37k 
TBH having used mobile broadband (3 and Vodafone) whilst our proper broadband was getting sorted, I found 3 to be quite good. I could only get just over 3Mb mind, I probably wouldn't try gaming on it though as the ping rate will be terrible.
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spencer88
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Its ok, the mrs village is one of the first to be hooked up to the super fast broadband in Cornwall 
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Mike2k111
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quote:
Originally posted by Sam
I think the above speeds are about the best I can hope for TBH, I went on that kitz.co.uk website and it says:
BT Line Speed Estimation
Fixed ADSL: 2048 kbps (2 Mb)
DSL Max: 5500 kbps (5.5 Mb)
21CN WBC : 7000 kbps (7 Mb)
I am about 1.3km away from the exchange box apparently (as the crow flies I guess that is), oh well
If there are any LLU providers in your area offering ADSL2+ you should be able to push out around 6500kbps depending on your ip profile. Judging by your speedtest speed your ISP are using ADSL Max so you'll be limited to the 5500kbps.
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John
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How are you working out it's ADSL Max from that speedtest?
Unless it's Sky's BT wholesale product (which I hope it isn't, that's bad) it's Sky's ADSL2+ LLU service he's using.
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Munchie
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My works internet access
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Sam
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My exchange is LLU enabled so I am assuming that is what I am using... Is there any other way of finding out?
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John
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You'd be paying about £20 for internet if it wasn't LLU.
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Mike2k111
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quote:
Originally posted by John
How are you working out it's ADSL Max from that speedtest?
Unless it's Sky's BT wholesale product (which I hope it isn't, that's bad) it's Sky's ADSL2+ LLU service he's using.
To be honest it was a presumption rather than anything factual. If you are on Sky's ADSL2+ service then id be a little disappointed with a 4000kbps sync speed if the estimation was 7000kbps. That's what made me think that you might be on an adsl max package with the estimation being 5500kbps. I know it's only an estimate but i've found them to be pretty reliable.
I'm on O2 LLU service which I know is ADSL2+ rather than max:
Fixed ADSL: 2048 kbps (2 Mb)
DSL Max: 6000 kbps (6 Mb)
21CN WBC : 11000 kbps (11 Mb)
Router stats:
Downstream Rate: 14240 Kbps
Upstream Rate: 1139 Kbps
My download speeds usually vary between 11000kbps and 120000kpbs so reasonably accurate.
Do you have any line attenuation stats available on your router? You could try putting them into here to see how it sits.
http://www.kitz.co.uk/adsl/max_speed_calc.php
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A2H GO
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Sorry to hijack, I just used your link, what do my results mean in laymans terms, im on ADSL2+ according to my router login:
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Mike2k111
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Generally an increase in your line length will increase your line attenuation. At lower dB levels adsl2+ provides a significant speed increase over adsl max. To make use of this your exchange needs to be enabled for adsl2+ and your ISP must supply it. At further distances from the exchange you will get a higher line attenuation and the difference between adsl2+ and adsl max decrease until they offer roughly the same speeds. This is the case with yourr line. Because of the distance from the exchange you'd get rougly the same speed on adsl max and adsl2+ and notice very little difference.
The benefits are only really there if you live closer to the exchange with a lower line attenuation.
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