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Rob E

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20th Mar 12 at 19:43

I have just completed an assignment for Uni where we had to convert an off road buggy into a hybrid electric vehicle and to be fair it has completely changed my outlook about electric powered vehicles. I'm seriously tempted to convert something myself after university.

The one I designed for my assignment cost £5500 for everything including a very expensive energy storage bank.

There are some seriously fun machines out there that have already set world records etc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bERjkSTYOdU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RESC54vHr40

I was just interested to know if anyone else has started to warm to the offerings from electric vehicles yet?

silvercorsabee

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20th Mar 12 at 19:46

i think i would no longer be a car enthusiast if all cars were electric

[Edited on 20-03-2012 by silvercorsabee]

Rob E

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20th Mar 12 at 19:49

on what basis? Ok the soundtrack is nowhere near as good but you get your peak torque value at 0 rpm (instantly)

Mattb

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20th Mar 12 at 19:53

To be fair i dont think electric / hybrid is the future - its a good enough stop gap for the time being but i feel hydrogen will be the fuel of most things in the years to come

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20th Mar 12 at 20:59

The electric motor is superior to a petrol or diesel engine for propelling a car.

AlunJ

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20th Mar 12 at 21:01

quote:
Originally posted by ed
The electric motor is superior to a petrol or diesel engine for propelling a car.

I don't doubt that at all, but battery technology seriously needs to improve before it can even be a realistic option. Who has time to charge there car for 24hours every 100miles.

neil h

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20th Mar 12 at 21:14

quote:
Originally posted by AlunJ

quote:
Originally posted by ed
The electric motor is superior to a petrol or diesel engine for propelling a car.

I don't doubt that at all, but battery technology seriously needs to improve before it can even be a realistic option. Who has time to charge there car for 24hours every 100miles.

This tbh, range extender hybrids such as the Fiscar Karma and the Vx Ampera are the way forward at the moment.

LeeM

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20th Mar 12 at 21:35

electric motors are very efficient, battery technology lets them down.
i think by the time batteries are good enough hydrogen will have taken over

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20th Mar 12 at 21:43

Just go series hybrid. Batteries are a bigger nightmare than burning fossil fuels.

Rob E

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20th Mar 12 at 23:58

Thats what my vehicle was. It didnt use batteries, it was powered by 50 ultracapacitors at the grand sum of £2500. It took 50 cells to meet a constant power requirement of 48v with the peak voltage of 135v.

They are far superior to battery technology and they are already starting filter down into everyday products.

Take this screwdriver for instance, charge for 90 seconds and away you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VA88eJ9V-8

noshua

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21st Mar 12 at 00:22

The go kart looks massively quick, video looks sped up!

Screwdriver is cool, however video is 3 years old so the technology must have moved on, nothing big in the news as far as I'm aware though?

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21st Mar 12 at 07:05

A series hybrid uses a small piston engine or even a turbine to provide electrical energy though.

Rob E

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21st Mar 12 at 13:20

which is what I used. I had a honda GX200 motor spinning a quad core PMA at over 10,000 rpm hooked up to the capacitor bank.

Ultracaps are still up and coming imo, there are some cool videos on youtube of people who have made spot welders from them etc

[Edited on 21-03-2012 by Rob E]

j10E W

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21st Mar 12 at 13:36

My prius is shit

If i run out of petrol the battery will last a mile if that
Load of bollocks

DaveyLC

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21st Mar 12 at 13:39

quote:
Originally posted by silvercorsabee
i think i would no longer be a car enthusiast if all cars were electric

[Edited on 20-03-2012 by silvercorsabee]

Why? Electric is better full-stop!

A modern brushless motor produces masses of torque and the useable and efficient rev-range is much better than any engine.

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21st Mar 12 at 14:39

quote:
Originally posted by j10E W
My prius is shit

If i run out of petrol the battery will last a mile if that
Load of bollocks

That's cos you're not supposed to run out of petrol

j10E W

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21st Mar 12 at 21:43

I like to play petrol roulette

neil h

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21st Mar 12 at 21:46

quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC

quote:
Originally posted by silvercorsabee
i think i would no longer be a car enthusiast if all cars were electric

[Edited on 20-03-2012 by silvercorsabee]

Why? Electric is better full-stop!

A modern brushless motor produces masses of torque and the useable and efficient rev-range is much better than any engine.

Yeah as far as ways of propelling a vehicle go the internal combustion engine is pretty naff really.

Have to say as well those 'ultracaps' look interesting.

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21st Mar 12 at 22:06

Its just people not wanting the traditional engine to go.

Thia argument was prob had in the pub over 20 years ago when some crazy fool decided to fill the engine bay with electronics!

Jamie Walby

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21st Mar 12 at 22:34

Don't people that drive hybrid/electric cars sniff their own farts [/southpark]

taylorboosh

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21st Mar 12 at 22:50

quote:
Originally posted by j10E W
My prius is shit

If i run out of petrol the battery will last a mile if that
Load of bollocks

If you run out of petrol in a normal car you won't get anywhere though

Ian

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22nd Mar 12 at 01:50

I'd like one but the stuff is still too expensive.

emicen

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22nd Mar 12 at 02:17

I've considered building something hybrid elec for commuting.

Something like a 2000MY Suzuki Swift with electric drive, battery pack in the boot space and small diesel genny under the bonnet for power source.

Really just lack of time and my general fear/loathing of electrics that keep coming up as an obstacle.

Certainly for commuting at speeds only up to 70mph and with little opportunity for hooning, such a vehicle would make a lot of sense.

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22nd Mar 12 at 22:57

Batteries have been the same technology for years now because if you had a battery (for example) AA size, if its for a camera you would buy decent ones and keep having to change them, if one lasted 100 times longer, they couldnt sell them at 100 times the price and you would use less. No way companies like duracell would let that happen when they make so much from disposable batteries.

Hydrogen is really the way forward and I cant wait to a point because i could give the finger to OPEC. I never want to see a world without the petrol car though

Rob E

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22nd Mar 12 at 23:07

EV conversion to a Corsa B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZTA0c--OFI&feature=g-hist&context=G2c928b7AHT2uetgAJAA

One of my coursemates dissertations is on hydrogen as a fuel. He has gone as far as modeling a whole engine specifically designed for running on hydrogen and is just about to start running it though simulation software to compare it to other forms of fuel currently avaliable. some of the stuff he has shown me completely blows petrol out of the water. Storage is still the main hindrance with hydrogen though, it needs to be chilled to something silly like -300 Celsius to be stored in a liquid form

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