nathy_87
Member
Registered: 14th Aug 08
Location: West Mids. Drives: Škoda Fabia VRS 5J
User status: Offline
|
As I know some of you have had dealings with this, i want your views as I'm getting mixed answers from different people.
Currently running 180bhp standard, now if I went for a stage 1 remap what figures would I be looking at (approx)?
I got a quote from a guy down in Kent Ł300 for ecu remap and rolling road print out and he said I'd be looking at between 230 - 260bhp.
Told my mate and he said No way (he has got the Octy vRS and already got his mapped etc) think he is a Know-it-all  would be less.
So what would you say?
|
Kyle T
Premium Member
Registered: 11th Sep 04
Location: Selby, North Yorkshire
User status: Offline
|
Isn't "phase 1" just an arbitrary description which would vary from mapper to mapper?
Lotus Elise 111R
Impreza WRX STi
|
Corsa_Sport21
Member
Registered: 13th Apr 08
Location: Leven, Fife. Drives : 205 GTi
User status: Offline
|
I would say the guy from Kent was being a bit optimistic tbh.
I would think circa 210bhp after a decent map from a proper tuner.
|
Ben G
Member
Registered: 12th Jan 07
Location: Essex
User status: Offline
|
very optimistic, at best. terrible over-exagerration at worst.
|
Corsa_Sport21
Member
Registered: 13th Apr 08
Location: Leven, Fife. Drives : 205 GTi
User status: Offline
|
And i would say your "know it all" mate probably knows more than you would like to give him credit for.
I would probably stay clear after he's started throwing out numbers with a 30bhp variation.
|
Neo
Member
Registered: 20th Feb 07
Location: Essex
User status: Offline
|
Isn't even 30bhp gain considered to be a lot for just a remap on a petrol 
|
LeeM
Member
Registered: 26th Sep 05
Location: Liverpool
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Kyle T
Isn't "phase 1" just an arbitrary description which would vary from mapper to mapper?
yes.
some tuners could mildy map at phase 1 and give 185bhp. others could wind the boost as high as possible for 260 and blow the car up.
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
Revo quote 215bhp
BBR quote 210bhp
Superchips quote 210bhp
I reckon 210bhp
|
Robin
Premium Member
Registered: 7th Jan 04
Location: Northants Drives: Clio 182 Cup
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Neo
Isn't even 30bhp gain considered to be a lot for just a remap on a petrol
It's supercharged and turbocharged.
|
Neo
Member
Registered: 20th Feb 07
Location: Essex
User status: Offline
|
quote:
Originally posted by Robin
quote:
Originally posted by Neo
Isn't even 30bhp gain considered to be a lot for just a remap on a petrol
It's supercharged and turbocharged.
Just been researching it. Didn't realise that robin
Found this which is interesting
quote:
some bloke on briskoda
Here's REVOs quoted figures for the 1.4TSI(180ps).
As you can see, peak torques not increased by that much at all, but it holds torque for alot longer which is exactly what you want.
Also notice that there is no change at all below 3500rpm. That is the point when the supercharger disengages and the turbo has full control. I wander why they never altered that for more low down grunt.
Another note is the before and after torque figures. This graphs shows standard torque peaking at about 260NM (thats 10NM more than VAG quoted figures). Peak torque is increased to 284NM so if you take into account the 10NM over read thats only an increase of 24NM. thats pretty reasonable, and id bet well within the limitations of the DSG.
Also its got a nice plateau of 220Hp for about 5000-7000rpm
|
SXI - Matt
Member
Registered: 8th Jul 07
Location: Leicestershire Drives: Corsa C SRI
User status: Offline
|
So much power from what is really a 1.4 impressive these new engines really
|
Phil W
Member
Registered: 1st Jul 05
Location: Shropshire Drives : Focus ST
User status: Offline
|
Pretty sure APR give good results with their map on this engine...
|
_Allan_
Member
Registered: 24th Mar 04
User status: Offline
|
I would stick with Revo or APR for the VAG range.
|
nathy_87
Member
Registered: 14th Aug 08
Location: West Mids. Drives: Škoda Fabia VRS 5J
User status: Offline
|
Went on to APR's site and looked up my car and this is what they are saying it'll gain.
Stage 1 vs Stock
Stage 2 vs Stock
Would it be worth in hindsight getting the Stage 2 bearing in mind it'll only be on road use and the odd Santa Pod run? If I did, would I have to upgrade clutch/gearbox? It is a Auto by the way.
[Edited on 23-03-2013 by nathy_87]
[Edited on 23-03-2013 by nathy_87]
|
Nick-S
Member
Registered: 3rd Mar 04
Location: Leigh. Drives: RS Megane 230 F1 Team R26
User status: Offline
|
Surely stage 2 involves more than just softwear changes. Intercooler, exhaust ect ect?
DSG softwear can also be changed to quicken up shift changes, launch control. The 2 clutches should be fine with that amount of torque.
|
nathy_87
Member
Registered: 14th Aug 08
Location: West Mids. Drives: Škoda Fabia VRS 5J
User status: Offline
|
Crikey, fair bit of work involved then? Wouldn't affect the car or current performance if I made those changes first would it? As for the DSG software, I didn't know things could go that far is that also another thing that Joe Blogs can do using the Vagcom/VCDS software or would it be the garage that does the mapping? Unfortuantly we don't have launch control on the VRS. That would be immense.
|
Kyle T
Premium Member
Registered: 11th Sep 04
Location: Selby, North Yorkshire
User status: Offline
|
Ideally you'd want to be making the changes and remapping at the same time.
Lotus Elise 111R
Impreza WRX STi
|
VrsTurbo
Premium Member
Registered: 8th Jun 10
User status: Offline
|
 YEA LAUNCH CONTROL
|
antnee
Member
Registered: 30th Dec 07
Location: Cov Drives: Clio 197
User status: Offline
|
Only Revo maps I would ever consider is stage 1 or anything directly from the HQ. Although Revo had some problems with the 1.4's a few blew up with their maps on.
APR or Shark Performance would be my choice, they can play with the DSG mapping too. Stage 2 would require hardware changes, typically exhaust, intake and a front mount intercooler.
|
nathy_87
Member
Registered: 14th Aug 08
Location: West Mids. Drives: Škoda Fabia VRS 5J
User status: Offline
|
well on the Skoda site everyone bangs on about Shark Performance. Got a quote of their page and came back with:
Stage 1 - ECU remap to 205bhp - Ł499 inc VAT.
There's my answer.
|
Phil W
Member
Registered: 1st Jul 05
Location: Shropshire Drives : Focus ST
User status: Offline
|
Ł499? Ouch!
|
Phil W
Member
Registered: 1st Jul 05
Location: Shropshire Drives : Focus ST
User status: Offline
|
I'd call APR HQ, speak to Evan and get him to give you the low down on their map for your car!
|
antnee
Member
Registered: 30th Dec 07
Location: Cov Drives: Clio 197
User status: Offline
|
It maybe 499, but it will be spot on for the car, work within all the hardware limits and not cause any problems. Mikko (owns part of Shark) produces maps for most mappers in the UK and a lot in Europe too. I think he has dealings with US tuning also. Even after very many beers you can ask him a question about a turbo and he will tell you max rpm, max boost, what sort of power and torque that relates to etc 
|
FAZ
Premium Member
Registered: 24th Nov 07
Location: Coventry
User status: Offline
|
sounds like he needs to get out more tbh
|
