3CorsaMeal
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Just read that MP can claim £3750 in expenses, this is just to cover them attending a special gathering to pay tributes to Margaret Thatcher.
650 MP's, that could cost up to £2.5 million.
I mean FFS, how? How do these people taking a job in this country be anywhere that could cost them nearly £4k to go to london for a day?
Lunacy, no wonder we are skint? This is our actual money they are pissing up the wall.
I'm going mad here 
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Robbo
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missing some context here, in fairness. that's the max amount claimable by certain high ranking envoys or cabinet ministers should they be abroad at the time and be requested to return for a very specific reason (not related to thatcher, just an instance)
suspect youve been reading the daily fail
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Nath
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quote:
Originally posted by Robbo
missing some context here, in fairness. that's the max amount claimable by certain high ranking envoys or cabinet ministers should they be abroad at the time and be requested to return for a very specific reason (not related to thatcher, just an instance)
suspect youve been reading the daily fail
Dat muney shuld b given 2 da nurses and r soldyers in da wars who r protectin r cuntry.
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Cavey
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Surely someone hasn't taken a figure out of context and sensationalised it 
Especially not in the Daily Mail
[Edited on 10-04-2013 by Cavey]
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3CorsaMeal
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Originally posted by Robbo
suspect youve been reading the daily fail
yep, exactly right
I still feel the MP's view themselves as separate from this whole money crisis. Seem to put themselves first then the economy and the public second.
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mwg
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Does anyone know what the point of having the parliamentary debate about her is?
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quote:
Originally posted by Nath
quote:
Originally posted by Robbo
missing some context here, in fairness. that's the max amount claimable by certain high ranking envoys or cabinet ministers should they be abroad at the time and be requested to return for a very specific reason (not related to thatcher, just an instance)
suspect youve been reading the daily fail
Dat muney shuld b given 2 da nurses and r soldyers in da wars who r protectin r cuntry.
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Conway563
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quote:
Originally posted by Nath
quote:
Originally posted by Robbo
missing some context here, in fairness. that's the max amount claimable by certain high ranking envoys or cabinet ministers should they be abroad at the time and be requested to return for a very specific reason (not related to thatcher, just an instance)
suspect youve been reading the daily fail
Dat muney shuld b given 2 da nurses and r soldyers in da wars who r protectin r cuntry.
No that's for footballers to do
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Nath
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Ah shit yeah. Footballers salary should be capped at £25k per year. Nurses and Soldiers shoud be on £5m a year.
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Russ
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3cm might be stretching truth but 1/3 of every drink is subsidised in the House of Commons bar by us though..
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mattant
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Can claim up to £3750, that means they can't claim the full amount for a train ride
That means if they're in another country they can claim the plane back and a hotel for a couple of nights, it doesn't mean every single MP gets given £4k to attend a funeral
[Edited on 10-04-2013 by mattant]
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3CorsaMeal
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It's the fact they allow it and it could of been the case.
Does no one think at any point that the money could do a shitload more.
Dread to think what the funeral will cost.
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Ian
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I notice no one has pointed out that the spending would be predominantly done in the UK therefore assist the UK economy.
Haven't heard any of the lefties who want to spend their way out of recession supporting inwards investment in the service sector in this country.
Unless the money leaves the UK its not really a worry what it costs. No different to any Labour policy on borrowing to stimulate expenditure.
[Edited on 10-04-2013 by Ian]
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Originally posted by 3CorsaMeal
It's the fact they allow it and it could of been the case.
Does no one think at any point that the money could do a shitload more.
Dread to think what the funeral will cost.
£10m, the majority of it on policing
But you could argue it's bringing money in too, most of the world's leaders are invited (apart from the Argentine president) and they won't be staying on the cheap
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3CorsaMeal
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Fixing anything in the UK is usually good for the economy. I think that argument is flawed.
As employing a midwife is good for the economy as she will spend the money on lunch at her local InBread. And they will spend the money after that which is also good for the economy.
I can't get with the idea that spending money on things like this is actually doing us all a favour because its "good for the economy"
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Ian
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The same economic principles hold true though, the money is spent and goes on to be spent again.
Its such a compelling theory that most of the left think its worth borrowing in order to spend as the cost to borrow is more than offset by the benefits of expenditure.
My point was that the funeral is doing exactly that, but the same people who think its good to spend are now objecting to it on the grounds of it being a waste of money.
And before you say the funeral is not a hospital bed, consider that the stimulus packages which maintained the public sector at the size it has become were mostly concerned with giving money in wages to people in offices.
No different to Policing in terms of tax revenues. In fact the Police revenue is probably slightly higher because they'll probably be on overtime for that one off event.
I agree with it in economic terms, I don't agree its a strong enough reason to borrow to do it, but I'm most disappointed with people forgetting their political position in order to object to something just because they now want a moment of fame by being the protagonist.
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3CorsaMeal
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Reduce taxes. Let them try to spend their money more efficiently. Let us spend the refunded tax. I'd rather us doing the boosting than them. Happy country. Less crime.
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John
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If an MP is given £4k expenses to come to a funeral you can bet that almost none of that will be spent in the UK other than what it costs to print out a fake receipt.
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Ian
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Disagree on both points tbh.
You reckon they're going to spend it all knowing what scrutiny will be applied to it?
And re the point about keeping it in the country, that was to make the point that it serves as economic stimulus if that happens. Not that they're somehow bound to do that. Market conditions and whether the UK has enough people running businesses well enough to take the money is another matter entirely.
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John
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I wasn't talking about this particular case, they are all as bad as each other though.
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I notice no one has pointed out that the spending would be predominantly done in the UK therefore assist the UK economy.
I wasn't aware it was a question of economics? Give a junkie 4 grand, he will buy 4 grand worth off smack and his British dealer will go buy a black S3 from Audi stimulating economic growth. Also a fact but again irrelevant to the crux of the point/problem.
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Ian
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Not when Labour have been campaigning to spend their way out of a recession.
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Actually, most of the true left do not think you need to spend your way out of a recession.
Most of the true left understand that recession is a perfectly normal part of the economic system Thatcher gave us and Blair cemented..... the only way you can fix the global economy is if the whole thing collapsed and you started again with a blank sheet...or if there was some huge cataclysmic disaster or aliens invaded ect. This is actually how it is supposed to work ...the rich get richer, the poor stay poor, the gap between the middle and the top gets bigger and the gap between the bottom and the middle stays about the same .... boom and bust in cycles, and a massive collapse every few decades where everyone realises it doesnt work and panics.
The way it was cemented in the 80s made it impossible to ever stop it unless it blew up on itself.
When most people talk about 'the left' or 'liberals' what they are actually referring to is 'The Labour Party'. The Labour Party is not left wing ... it is on the right side of centre at the moment. Under Blair it was definitely on the right....far more right wing and neo conservative than the current Cameron goverment instead..... thats why it got elected and kept power ... because the banks, big industry and people like Murdoch recognised it was going to be right wing under Blair.
Blair was a student of Thatcher economics - he wasnt left wing ...so lets stop making out the economic crisis was made by the left. It isnt actually a crisis to the people who designed it ... its working fine, the rich are getting richer at the lower classes expense ...thats how its designed to work!
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Ian
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Whatever you want to call it. Popular press. A lot of people on Facebook.
Mostly anti-Tory. ie. Torys are wrong, you need to borrow and spend. Lots of people are saying this.
Edit - including most politicians of all persuasions? Not heard many elected members wanting a crash.
[Edited on 10-04-2013 by Ian]
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