andy1868
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Seems like it could start to turn even nastier. Ex President making speeches proclaiming he won't give up without a fight, pro Russian militia/Russian navy occupying airports and government sites, reports of Russian military helicopters entering Ukraine.
One question i do have is where is the Ukrainian armed forces? and who are they answering to at the moment? Surely if they're in the pro-European camp they're not going to stand by while Russian forces occupy their country!
Of course the other factor is that very little is going to happen and our media are blowing it all out of proportion to make it sound like the start of WW3 
What are everyone's thoughts on this?
[Edited on 28-02-2014 by andy1868]
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spencer88
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Ukraine got much oil?
If not, USA won't be getting involved, which means we wont.
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alan-g-w
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Ukraine doesn't have much oil, the majority of Russian natural gas that supplies a lot of Europe passes through it though.
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daymoon
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I like how media makes Russia look bad in what ever they do.
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Wrighty
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Ousted presidents pad was proper nice 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565697/House-fit-tyrant-Protestors-storm-sprawling-luxury-estate-Ukraines-fugitive-president-private-zoo-golf-course-half-size-Monaco.html
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Root
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don't think much will happen, couldn't care either way
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ShEp
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UK and USA won't get involved because the Ruskies would kick our asses back home.
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Ojc
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No not really, Russia military hardware is about a decade behind ours.
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ShEp
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That's what your propaganda tells you.
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MatthewR
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sneaky fuuukin russians
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JordyCarter
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Might of seen it might of not worth the watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eTuFAR169s
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Hammer
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Russian parliament votes to allow military action in Ukranian territory requested by Putin.
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andy1868
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Heard some reports that officials are handing out Russian passports in Crimea. The Russian foreign policy states military action in order to protect it's citizens, the same thing they used in order to annex Georgia in 2008....
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Root
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quote:
Originally posted by Ojc
No not really, Russia military hardware is about a decade behind ours.
its not that bad and besides theyre armed to the teeth..
we couldnt go because they could march troops over the border. We would have to fly troops over. Russia would have a super advantage of having all their men n gear already over there. Also messing with them would be ww3..fuck dat
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andy1868
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Upper Russian parliament have allowed Putin military action in the past few minutes, opposition are saying as many as 6000 extra troops already in Ukraine :/ as hammer has just said
This is really something we shouldn't get involved in imo, poking sticks at half rate Middle eastern countries is one thing but Russia is far too powerful to get drawn into a conflict with IMO TBH IIRC QFT
Obama making statements about there being costs for military action is also the height of hypocrisy
[Edited on 01-03-2014 by andy1868]
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I actually like russians
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John
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I love the way Putin conducts himself but they aren't too far away from North Korea on the mental scale.
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alan-g-w
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The way Putin was 'elected' is all you need to know about the mental scale. He pretty much just demanded the job
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Y869 SRA
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A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect Ukraine if President Putin's troops cross into the country.
Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine - agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.
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daymoon
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quote:
Originally posted by V931_FEF
A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect Ukraine if President Putin's troops cross into the country.
Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine - agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.
USA/Uk wouldn't dare.
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daymoon
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what pisses me off is that everyone seems to ignore what is going in Eastern Ukraine, where the nation is against the new "government". Crimea is Autonomous Republic, which was "given away" to Ukraine in 1954 by Russia.
What has happened in Kiev, was well planned, not my amateurs, and definitely well supported financially.
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Y869 SRA
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quote:
Originally posted by daymoon
quote:
Originally posted by V931_FEF
A treaty signed in 1994 by the US and Britain could pull both countries into a war to protect Ukraine if President Putin's troops cross into the country.
Bill Clinton, John Major, Boris Yeltsin and Leonid Kuchma – the then-rulers of the USA, UK, Russia and Ukraine - agreed to the The Budapest Memorandum as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Technically it means that if Russia has invaded Ukraine then it would be difficult for the US and Britain to avoid going to war.
USA/Uk wouldn't dare.
I agree. As long as the US keeps their nose out, we won't get involved.
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andy1868
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I was reading before that the Budapest Memorandum isn't necessarily legally binding so we wouldn't necessarily be rushing to their defence.
It's not our place to be defending Ukraine and David Cameron shouldn't be entertaining the idea IMO. The simple fact is that a good portion of the country wants to be associated with Russia and should probably be allowed to. If it splits the country then fine.
[Edited on 02-03-2014 by andy1868]
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ShEp
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I work with some Russians,
They constantly fight among each other, and they constantly steal my cables.
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Ben G
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Reporter on sky news walking around the Russian soldiers in Ukraine. Wish someone would go mental and shoot him. Would make far better television than this bumhole talking bollocks.
Oh amd William Hague getting a chubby over it all. Can't take him seriously with his toff accent.
[Edited on 03-03-2014 by Ben G]
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