Tiger
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Looking at the intensifying rhetoric and recent sanctions between the EU/USA and Russia, do you think military intervention will be inevitable. Russia don't seem to be taking this lying down but it doesnt seem that the USA or EU will want to lose face over this arguement.
[Edited on 19-02-2015 by Tiger]
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AlexSXI
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I think the EU and/or USA would be stupid to get involved.
Clearly Russia are a super-power will lots of force in terms of military / economy and everything else. But with such a volatile leader in Putin just leave them be to squabble over Crimea with whoever wants to argue
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Tiger
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I think the biggest issue is Russian expansion, I don't think the EU / USA want them to spread out their federation.
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p
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Attack the rouble.
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Tiger
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Putin takes another step towards taking on Crimea and alienating themselves further.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26621726
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What ever happens as a nation we wont get involved. It would be stupid for us to do so, Russia had a little prod at us in January
They had some naval vessels out on legitimate training etc and decided to send one ship out to loiter up in scotland near loch ness... took over 24 hours for us to get a ship up there to challenge them 
We do anything, they will be on our doorstep before we can think about how we might defend ourselves
Clicky for newspaper link
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Either way it's not a decision that will be taken lightly.
It's clear Russia don't give a shit about much, their government are nuts and wouldn't think twice about taking extreme action. So the USA and EU will have to tread very carefully.
Other countries shouldn't be bullied or made to feel afraid of standing up for what's right.
We can threaten them with sanctions etc., but they have a lot of the oil and have plenty of leverage and power to screw us back over. The USA and EU certainly don't hold all the cards.
MX5 Project Thread
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Mattb
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Dont get me wrong, i agree with standing up for whats right. But what if on the off chance Russia is right? and the Crimean region wants closer ties to Russia and not the EU. What if the whole Referendum was Legit and its genuinely what the people want?
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quote:
Originally posted by Mattb
Dont get me wrong, i agree with standing up for whats right. But what if on the off chance Russia is right? and the Crimean region wants closer ties to Russia and not the EU. What if the whole Referendum was Legit and its genuinely what the people want?
Because it's not been done in a legal procedure? Putin saw an opportunity for his own agenda, and he went in for it. Saw a weakness and pounced, you could say. But none of this is legitimate, not at all.
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Originally posted by Mattb
What ever happens as a nation we wont get involved. It would be stupid for us to do so, Russia had a little prod at us in January
They had some naval vessels out on legitimate training etc and decided to send one ship out to loiter up in scotland near loch ness... took over 24 hours for us to get a ship up there to challenge them
We do anything, they will be on our doorstep before we can think about how we might defend ourselves
Clicky for newspaper link
Lets hope he takes scotland in the same was a Crimea tbh saves a vote 
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Tiger
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How far will he be allowed to go before military action is taken though? He might think "well that was easy, let's look at other countries"
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Originally posted by Tiger
How far will he be allowed to go before military action is taken though? He might think "well that was easy, let's look at other countries"
Well with Obama at the helm in the US, pretty far I'd say. All talk that guy. Look at Syria for an example.
Sure is an intriguing situation.
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quote:
Originally posted by tom130691
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Originally posted by Mattb
What ever happens as a nation we wont get involved. It would be stupid for us to do so, Russia had a little prod at us in January
They had some naval vessels out on legitimate training etc and decided to send one ship out to loiter up in scotland near loch ness... took over 24 hours for us to get a ship up there to challenge them
We do anything, they will be on our doorstep before we can think about how we might defend ourselves
Clicky for newspaper link
Lets hope he takes scotland in the same was a Crimea tbh saves a vote
Shudda have sent one of the subs to pop it's head out of the water with a torpedo "locked on" 
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Originally posted by Mattb
Dont get me wrong, i agree with standing up for whats right. But what if on the off chance Russia is right? and the Crimean region wants closer ties to Russia and not the EU. What if the whole Referendum was Legit and its genuinely what the people want?
Because it's not been done in a legal procedure? Putin saw an opportunity for his own agenda, and he went in for it. Saw a weakness and pounced, you could say. But none of this is legitimate, not at all.
I completely appreciate that it wasnt legally, and Putin stands to gain alot by taking crimea, but what if the people who live in that region genuinely want Russia there? Just because Putins been a dick and gone in mob handed doesnt detract from the possibility that the people of the region deserve a say in what they want rather than have some willy waving politicians and eurocrats dictating to them what they must want to want.
To be fair though world politics is all a load of shit anyway. I love the way the US and the rest (including ourselves) can rock up in a region, shoot and bomb the shit out of it in the name of stability and world peace. Then when someone else tries it (without the shooting and bombing) its regarded as completely wrong.. i dont get it to be fair
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Well with Obama at the helm in the US.....
And if it was Bush and Co, US would want to start a war and we'd end up getting dragged into; at least Obama is taking the sensible and logical route 
[Edited on 17-03-2014 by Dom]
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Originally posted by Dom
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Originally posted by p
Well with Obama at the helm in the US.....
And if it was Bush and Co, US would want to start a war and we'd end up getting dragged into; at least Obama is taking the sensible and logical route
[Edited on 17-03-2014 by Dom]
That's down to your opinion. Obama and the US look weak with no real action. He says one thing and does another. I'm not stating for war, though. But you can't let Russia get away with what they're doing.
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Iv got an air raid shelter in my garden and an old .22 rifle. Bring em on
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Dom
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I'm not stating for war, though. But you can't let Russia get away with what they're doing.
Increasing any form of military presence by us or the American's, or any nation, is just going to cause aggravation and ultimately (and likely to) resort in Russia retaliating. And what makes military intervention even more of an idiotic idea is the fact that we, and i suspect America, don't have the expenditure (tbf, nor any real hardware especially 'air') to head into another war after being in Iraq/Afghanistan for the last 13 years, especially with a super-power like Russia.
But ok, you don't want to start a war but at the same time you don't want to "let Russia get away with what they're doing" - so what would you suggest?
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Iv got an air raid shelter in my garden and an old .22 rifle. Bring em on
If war broke out between 'us' (UK, America, anyone else) and Russia, as a country we would be royally fucked - [Tommy] "Propper fucked?", [Turkish] "Yes, before Zee Germans get there"
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Originally posted by Dom
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Originally posted by p
I'm not stating for war, though. But you can't let Russia get away with what they're doing.
Increasing any form of military presence by us or the American's, or any nation, is just going to cause aggravation and ultimately (and likely to) resort in Russia retaliating. And what makes military intervention even more of an idiotic idea is the fact that we, and i suspect America, don't have the expenditure (tbf, nor any real hardware especially 'air') to head into another war after being in Iraq/Afghanistan for the last 13 years, especially with a super-power like Russia.
But ok, you don't want to start a war but at the same time you don't want to "let Russia get away with what they're doing" - so what would you suggest?
Attack the rouble.
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Dom
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Attack the rouble.
How would that have a direct affect on Russia taking control of Crimea? 
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Tiger
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I think the fact that Russia has effectively downplayed what is really a welcomed invasion on a neighbouring country, they will be considered a threat to other attached nations and should be scrutinised much more closely from now on.
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Whatever happens we can rest assured knowing there will be loads of dashcam footage.
[Edited on 17-03-2014 by 3CorsaMeal]
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So far the russians whose assets have been frozen have simply laughed it off and treated it like a joke, so clearly that sanction avenue hasnt worked. So what next?
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It was Ruski for over a hundred year. Ruskies want it back.
My comrades in the Crimea agree.
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