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Steve
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19th Aug 14 at 18:14   View Garage View User's Profile U2U Member Reply With Quote

Today we installed a new fibre link down another building here is the basic layout how it stands



All green lines are fibre links

Switch C used to be served via the copper link which had to go via switch B, we wanted it to have its own connection back to the main switch A so we installed the fibre.

As soon as we plugged the new fibre in we got like a loop where switch A went mad and locked out. Could this be because the copper link was still in causing some sort of network loop? We have yet to try it with the copper link unplugged because we ran out of time, but looking at the diagram I think it should still be ok, but I may be wrong

[Edited on 19-08-2014 by Steve]
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We had a similar situation at work where one of our technicians inadvertently created a loop between a number of switches. This caused all manner of network issues and crashed the network.

We have since enabled the Rapid spanning tree option in each of the switches on site to hopefully prevent this happening again. These are managed switches btw.

Although in our case the switches were already configured in a redundant ring topology (Hirschman Hiper ring). I don't know if this would make a difference in your case.
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Is it just a case of turning on rstp on the switches?

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What you've done is created a bridge loop (between switches A, B and C) which in-turn floods the network with broadcast packets and as you found out, switching gear will eventually shit itself and lock-up.
As Ocean mentions, enabling STP (Spanning Tree) on your managed switches should remove the redundant paths and prevent the loop.
Otherwise you can attempt to filter broadcasts (not sure if it's doable with layer 2 stuff ) or some switches support the ability to rate-limit broadcast floods - both a bit bodgy for this situation though.


Edit - the copper link between switches B and C, are you using that purely as a fall-back if one of the fibre links fails?

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yeah, will unplugging that for now help?
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yeah, will unplugging that for now help?


Yup. Although it's worth configuring that copper link properly for use as a fall-back.
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ok cool, just want it back working reliably for now, can mess about with it out of hours at the bank holiday
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So in terms of configuring that copper link for fall back, is it just a case of turning on STP loop preventation on the ports that copper link is connected to??
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I haven't read the replied but spanning tree will sort this right out. Just remember to spanning-tree portfast (or the HP equivalent) on ports that have computers connected to them otherwise you end up with a computer not getting Group Policy changes at startup.

I assume both links are at 1GBPS? How are you terminating the fibre into the switch? SFP or a shitty media converter?

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what switches are these?
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SFP pow

Willay core is a modular HP affair not sure of the model off the top of my head that is handling all the fibre links though.

Rest of them around the school are brand new hp 1910 24g or 48g
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Are they 1GBPS SFP ports or 10? If they are 1 then load balance the links, not lie redundant until someone sticks a spade through your fibre.
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they are running at 1gb, the modular switches can support 10 though
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Load balance then
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its extremely easy on the HP too, but be careful as they call it trunking and in Cisco land that is something completely different.
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Netgear land is even more fucked up - NTP is port aggregation!

 
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