Ian
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I'll just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STaximkaQxo
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Balling
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Winter tyres.
If I recall correctly, this is the debate that caused Seth to rage quit.
And again, the major benefit of winter tyres isn't grip on snow and ice, but grip on cold (below 8 C) asphalt.
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Robin
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I need some as my rear tyres are very low
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Ian
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Whatever they're called, that's quite damaging to the 'its how you drive it' corner.
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tom130691
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Whatever they're called, that's quite damaging to the 'its how you drive it' corner.
Needs to be a back to back test, beamer could have more sophisticated traction control.
lots of factors to take in to account,
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tom130691
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back to back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoHRnmSxJ64
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A1EX
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Have to use studded winter tyres by law on all cars in Finland from end of October to end of March. Make a rough sound when going over just normal tarmac and noise in the car is quite loud too. They do make quite a difference though you definately need them in some areas.
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Mike
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I don't think it's ever been in dispute that winter tyres work better, on snow, than summer tyres do. It's more that for most people, summer tyres still work ok for pretty much all of winter.
As someone who used to work in a bit of a shady back street garage, that had a big tyre depot over the road, I used to go over, pretty much daily, to pick tyres up and it was very rare that I ever asked for a brand, I'd almost always be sent over for 'budgets' or in other words, the cheapest thing they had in the right size and it's purely because people don't want to spend loads on tyres when they don't have to, so people know that winter tyres are better in the same way they know a set of Pirellis are better than their Camacs but the Pirellis are £80 a piece whereas the Camacs are £35, but the Camacs can still get them to wherever they want to go apart from very odd snowy occasions, when they want to go up a hill.
The problem is it's hard to quantify what the extra money is getting you. In some cases it probably doesn't cost anymore money when you look at the overall cost and life of both sets of tyres but it's the idea of spending a few hundred pounds on something that you already have where I think people struggle.
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3CorsaMeal
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They made a noticable difference on my corrado , only put them on the front wheels, but pulling away was a massive difference.
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JonnyJ
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quote:
Originally posted by Mike
I don't think it's ever been in dispute that winter tyres work better, on snow, than summer tyres do. It's more that for most people, summer tyres still work ok for pretty much all of winter.
As someone who used to work in a bit of a shady back street garage, that had a big tyre depot over the road, I used to go over, pretty much daily, to pick tyres up and it was very rare that I ever asked for a brand, I'd almost always be sent over for 'budgets' or in other words, the cheapest thing they had in the right size and it's purely because people don't want to spend loads on tyres when they don't have to, so people know that winter tyres are better in the same way they know a set of Pirellis are better than their Camacs but the Pirellis are £80 a piece whereas the Camacs are £35, but the Camacs can still get them to wherever they want to go apart from very odd snowy occasions, when they want to go up a hill.
The problem is it's hard to quantify what the extra money is getting you. In some cases it probably doesn't cost anymore money when you look at the overall cost and life of both sets of tyres but it's the idea of spending a few hundred pounds on something that you already have where I think people struggle.
This is pretty much my view. Certainly dont question that they will perform better in the conditions, its more, I've survived 10 winters so far without them, i've driven in awful conditions and managed ok, is the £300+ outlay for them really going to be worth my while? Every year the answer is no, i get through without any heart stopping slides, near misses and I've never got stuck. Of course that doesnt mean im immune to that, its just from a purely statistical point of view i arent seeing the value. Number of winters ive driven - 10, Number of times I've needed special tyres to get to my destination - 0.
Maybe if i had plenty of disposable income I'd invest, but thats not the case. They seem a luxury to me, not a necessity. Maybe next year.
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Steve
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It is 100% for the idiots that think it will make them invincible in there cars. Rather than learning to drive better.
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random dav
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I put some on a few years ago, made a huge difference.
WRLFC !
Project cars
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Jimbothebarbarian
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I put a set on the hearse I actually thought I'd read it wrong and accidentally bought snow simulation tires instead...
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
It is 100% for the idiots that think it will make them invincible in there cars. Rather than learning to drive better.
thats not true. its just you being internet for the sake of it.
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Steve
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Most of the people I have come across are like this.
Comments such as
"Oh il be ok this year if it snows I have snow tyres fitted to my car"
No you will be ok anyway if you take it easy and learn some clutch control and gearing.
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Ian
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Could say the same for anyone who claims they'll manage on 225 summer things, which they may well do. But there is a definite benefit.
Doesn't even need to be that much more expensive? If you have the storage then you're not wearing your summer tyres when these are fitted so unless its massively more expensive per gram of rubber then you're not all that worse off.
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Jimbothebarbarian
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
Most of the people I have come across are like this.
Comments such as
"Oh il be ok this year if it snows I have snow tyres fitted to my car"
No you will be ok anyway if you take it easy and learn some clutch control and gearing.
What's rattled your cage sweetie? Has somebody rubbed you up the wrong way over this?
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Nic Barnes
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quote:
Originally posted by Steve
Most of the people I have come across are like this.
Comments such as
"Oh il be ok this year if it snows I have snow tyres fitted to my car"
No you will be ok anyway if you take it easy and learn some clutch control and gearing.
they will be better off so yes they are correct.
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JonnyJ
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Could say the same for anyone who claims they'll manage on 225 summer things, which they may well do. But there is a definite benefit.
Doesn't even need to be that much more expensive? If you have the storage then you're not wearing your summer tyres when these are fitted so unless its massively more expensive per gram of rubber then you're not all that worse off.
We have sod all storage so wouldnt work for me. Whilst in the long run, its not going to cost much more, the outlay just before xmas is unwanted. Then you've got the arse about fitting them, taking them off after winter and getting them refitted again next year, just a pain in the arse really. Maybe im just lazy.
Personally, had i started getting them since i started driving my bank balance would be worse off to the tune of a fair few hundred quid [based on buying say 2 sets over 10 years and offset against the extra few sets of £15 PWs i need] for no/little benefit so im glad i didnt.
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Ben G
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I live in the south east so summer tyres do me fine.
I got stuck once getting up my road which is on quite a steep hill. All I had to do was dig through until I reached tarmac so I could get the car moving.
Once moving, it was fine.
After seeing the amount Scotland gets regularly, i'd be inclined to purchase them if i lived there.
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SVM 286
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Originally posted by Ian
I'll just leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STaximkaQxo
That's rather impressive.
3 Series sounds terribly farty though.
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Steve
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Also people assume a 4wd car means all four wheels will be providing power at the same time. Unless the car has diff lock, only one front and one rear will be powered in slippery conditions. Granted that's still better than the one of a fwd though
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John
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Or you've got a new 4wd without diff lock which will be using breaking to do the same.
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gazza808
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Once a wheel on an axle (front or rear) looses traction all the power goes to the wheel spinning so it's not powering them both really any more, need diff locks or lsds.
Was replying to a message that swiftly disappeared
[Edited on 18-12-2014 by gazza808]
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John
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Or electronics which will use the brakes to achieve the same thing.
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