Rob H
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Registered: 28th Oct 00
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WTF's that all about? 
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Adam
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Registered: 1st May 01
Location: Hurstbourne Tarrant
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heel on the brake and toes on the accelerator (or vica versa) so you can keep the engine revs up, i.e peak power while you are braking so when you come off the brakes you have max power available to accelerate again
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Rob H
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wouldnt downshifting do this though?
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CorsAsh
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This guy explains it better than I can...
1. Begin braking for the corner with your right foot. The location of the pedals and the size of your foot will dictate where you position your foot on the pedal, but most likely it should be canted a little to the right, closer to the throttle pedal.
2. Push in the clutch with your left foot.
3. Move the shifter from fourth gear to neutral
4. This is the hard part. With your right foot still applying pressure to the brakes, roll the outside edge of your foot outward and downward to touch the throttle pedal. The pedal design on some cars makes this easier to do than on others. Use the outside of your right foot to blip the throttle. Blipping the throttle means temporarily raising the engine rpms to match the wheel speed. The exact amount of revs needed is dependent on a variety of factors, but it is usually between 1,000 rpm to 2,000 rpm more than the current engine rpm for a one-gear downshift.
5.Move the shifter from neutral to third gear.
6.Release the clutch with your left foot
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DAYZEE
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Nuts to all that!! We have synchromesh these days FFS!!
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K8e
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used to be known as double de-clutching many moons ago I think....but its a new and improved version by the sounds of it
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Adam-D
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ah ha now i know what this is ill try it tommorow
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DAYZEE
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"Granny shifting not double clutching like you should"
Vin Diesel and that film have much to answer for.
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CorsAsh
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quote:
Originally posted by K8e
used to be known as double de-clutching many moons ago I think....but its a new and improved version by the sounds of it
thats when you shift into neutral before bringing the rpms up and selecting the next gear. Prolongs the life of your gearbox and engine... Heel and toe is the way you can brake and bring the revs up at the same time whilst goin into a corner
Heel and toe goes hand in hand with double declutching...
[Edited on 16-07-2003 by CorsAsh]
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Adam
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Heel & toe is for keeping the revs up when braking, double-clutching is blipping the accelerator when changing gear, not so required now with sycromesh boxes but can be useful to keep the revs up for a turbo
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Adam_B
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Just try left foot braking instead!!
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Adam
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam_B
Just try left foot braking instead!!
But practice somewhere off the road, your clutch foot presses much harder than your brake foot so you will lockup/stall a few times
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Andy_SRi
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Registered: 15th Jul 03
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Bollocks to it all just keep accelerating
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Adam
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Originally posted by Andy_SRi
Bollocks to it all just keep accelerating
kinda defeats the point of braking then?
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Jambo
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam_B
Just try left foot braking instead!!
 Oooo havent we all, though you were a bit of a colin macrae, think ill just dab the pedal with my left foot and SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID LMAO
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Adam_B
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam
quote:
Originally posted by Adam_B
Just try left foot braking instead!!
But practice somewhere off the road, your clutch foot presses much harder than your brake foot so you will lockup/stall a few times
And wear a crash helmet, or put some padding on the windscreen
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Drew
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quote:
Originally posted by Jambo
quote:
Originally posted by Adam_B
Just try left foot braking instead!!
Oooo havent we all, though you were a bit of a colin macrae, think ill just dab the pedal with my left foot and SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID LMAO
so true
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
Location: Liverpool
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Blipping the throttle while downchanging will prolong the life of your box if it's done properly. Engine braking is just about redundant these days, not to mention less preferable where weight distribution and stability are concerned.
Alternatively, use the Police technique, get all of your braking out of the way, then change down (probably skip a few gears), then start turning in under acceleration through the corner.
Practise though otherwise you'll crash very quickly
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Dan B
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quote:
Originally posted by Ian
...Alternatively, use the Police technique, get all of your braking out of the way, then change down (probably skip a few gears), then start turning in under acceleration through the corner.
Practise though otherwise you'll crash very quickly
Sounds like Karting technique, aswell!
Oh, and have a look at a few of the Jap-style racing videos, if you can find any to download, they usually love to show footwell camera-shots, which show them heel-and-toe'ing......it looks superb when done properly!
[Edited on 18/07/2003 by Dan B]
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Ian
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Registered: 28th Aug 99
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Yup Dan.
I got a few videos like that as well - the best one is called 'Drift Techniques' with the guy talking through the various ways of giving it some; 'Shifta lock', 'Accel-off!' etc. hehe. Very entertaining.
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Wolfy
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or drive a 12v you wont need brakes for the corner! well... i dont.
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Nad
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Heel and Toe also helps to balance the car while braking especially when not in a straight line and maintains constant engine speed which gives greater acceleration when needed. Very noticable when done in damp conditions. I also tend to blip the throttle on the downchange if coming to a corner, not needing to brake but wanting stronger accleration out of it just to balance the car again. If the car is stable u will get round the corner faster and safer.
Left foot braking is mainly used and more effective on FWD cars on loose surfaces to cut out understeer. Not much good on the tarmac although I have tried trailing the brake on acceletation out of a wet corner which helps to cut excesive wheelspin.
L8r
Nad
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3CorsaMeal
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yeah but u don't put foot sideways
u pivot ur foot on heel and do pedal with toes.....
well thats how i been taught
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Sam
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Sod all that, you just have stop and go pedals in an auto!
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jay@ffwd
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Registered: 14th Jan 03
Location: Worcester
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We have added a heel-toe downshift guide here, also some drift techniques...
Under FFWD Drive Skool http://www.ffwdmotorsport.co.uk/content3.htm
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