Bennn
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i could just shove a valver in?
ive read good reports about C16XEs (no denying it - decent engine) in terms of
the restrictive inlet, over engineering, beter handling due to less front end weight etc
and was going down the tb route via a mantzel inlet till id saved the cash for tbs
is it worth it over just paying for a 2.0 transplant
opinions? (insurance isnt an issue)
[Edited on 27-11-2003 by Bennn]
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ive been looking into either 16xe or 20xe too.
20xes drink lots more petrol and require a lot more suspension work to handle good is my findings to date, obvious yes, but have a big impact, yes
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stuyw
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i had a C16XE and the 2.0 gets the same mpg as the 1.6 for some reason 
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Bennn
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fuel consumption isnt really an issue really tbh
i dont do a lot of motorway miles and id prefer something quicker round the twisty bits than a straight line
car is stripped out and handling is important
have i answered my own question?
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James R
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The fuel consumption on a 2L normally improves. Becuase you don't need to open the throttle much to make the car cruise, so not much petrol being burnt, however rag it and t's not soo good, but TB's are pretty similar.
I think for a road car the 2L offeres better value and you will only really find a difference on the track.
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Neshol
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Lol. Bigger engine = more fuel consumption.
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Aussie GSi
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Hey dudes 
May I ask, what's the power output of the 2.0l 16v and the 2.0l 16v Turbo engines?
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M2RTY
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quote:
Originally posted by Neshol
Lol. Bigger engine = more fuel consumption.
no it doesnt
becasue, as said above, u only have to tickle the 2.0 to push the car along, thus there is not much petrol being used
rag it = more petrol used
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Stu_22
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My 1.6 16v has much better fuel consumption than my old 1.2 8v i guess its because you really have to thrash the 1.2 to get any where fast not so much with the 1.6
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Ditch
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quote:
Originally posted by Aussie GSi
Hey dudes
May I ask, what's the power output of the 2.0l 16v and the 2.0l 16v Turbo engines?
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150-155bhp (depending on 20xe or C20xe) and 205bhp for the LET???
around those figures anyhows
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Meat-Pie-SRI
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a C16XE with 130 brake will keep with a valver because the engine is so much lighter!
My old engine had 167.4 horse power and becuse of the extra power, less weight it kicked the arse off of a C20XE in both straight lines and twisties!!
C20XE's and LET's are awesome engines tho 
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BeArDy
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quote:
Originally posted by Meat-Pie-SRI
a C16XE with 130 brake will keep with a valver because the engine is so much lighter!
My old engine had 167.4 horse power and becuse of the extra power, less weight it kicked the arse off of a C20XE in both straight lines and twisties!!
C20XE's and LET's are awesome engines tho
i do not think it will 
i raced Rus2k2 and he had a 1.6 on regal (Dibals) throttle bodys and my standard 2lt left him , also wolf in sheeps (think thats his name) and i beat him
and both where running more than 140bhp
2lt are cheap for power, and to get a 1.6 to 2lt standard power will work out more than the full converstion itself
its all about money, just look at Andy's 1.6 running 215bhp and revs to 9k and will eat 2lts but the cost of it is alot
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broster
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Meat_Pie_SRI what you done to ur engine now? got a new one? whats the spec?
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Greasemonkey
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likie you say you want handling and straight line ability, C16XE all the way buddy, although my opinion is bias as i have a C16XE well 2 to be exact!!!ones not in a car. But to get my engine to the power i have has cost more than a C20 XE conversion but you buy in little bits
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royvious
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quote:
Originally posted by BeArDy
quote:
Originally posted by Meat-Pie-SRI
a C16XE with 130 brake will keep with a valver because the engine is so much lighter!
My old engine had 167.4 horse power and becuse of the extra power, less weight it kicked the arse off of a C20XE in both straight lines and twisties!!
obviously the 2l driver couldnt drive it properly. The smaller engines just aint worth tuning. Anything with eco tec exept for the V6 models are shit. The ecotec must be left in stock form. Its not a race engine its for going shopping in. They dont respond well to tuning and are stressed if tuned up. The c16xe gets sticky valves in its 90,000 mile stage and ive seen many snap the belt. There even tighter to work on than a 2 litre. The 20xe was unstopable in its racing days beating everything in its class so a poxy 16xe is nothing compared to the 20xe. I ve chewed up loads of corsa 1.6 s with my street sleeper. The corsas around my neck of the woods know to keep clear!
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Daimo B
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My opinion on the tuned C16XE
Fucking great. Donnas car, even though running 17"s, all that ICE and leather/bodykit etc, from 30-100mph it really wasn't that much slower than my 2.0 is!!! That was running a Mantzel box, exhaust manifold, custom mantzel mapped superchip etc...
IT had around £1200 worth of mods on it and it did motor some!! Even PEte from PVD thought it was bloody quick!!
AS it happens too, were selling the Mantzel Box and all the other parts. Most of its already gone, but if ur interested look in classifieds.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by royvious
obviously the 2l driver couldnt drive it properly. The smaller engines just aint worth tuning. Anything with eco tec exept for the V6 models are shit. The ecotec must be left in stock form. Its not a race engine its for going shopping in. They dont respond well to tuning and are stressed if tuned up. The c16xe gets sticky valves in its 90,000 mile stage and ive seen many snap the belt. There even tighter to work on than a 2 litre. The 20xe was unstopable in its racing days beating everything in its class so a poxy 16xe is nothing compared to the 20xe. I ve chewed up loads of corsa 1.6 s with my street sleeper. The corsas around my neck of the woods know to keep clear!
Are you sure u know what your talking about?? 
The C16XE was actually designed with 150bhp with different cams and inlet manifold system. 150bhp? Sounds familiar? 2.0 standard power? Only thing the 1.6 lacks is the torque which is why the 2.0 can carry on, especially off the line and past 100mph. When running, the 1.6 if setup right shouldn't loose too much out on the standard 2.0!!!
Its not a race engine?? Dude, come on, your talking bullshit. SBD are getting over 250bhp without forced induction or NOS. Not used to race? What about all the Corsa Rally cars, all the Tuned 1.6 16v VAUXHALL Caterhams and kit cars?????? Which is what SBD specialise in making the engines for?
As for snapping belts, well, this prooves again that your talking BS. Standard belts snap because the standard tensioners are made of plastic and was a design fault. SBD aliminium tensioners sort this problem out. £80-£100!!
Sticky valves, this all depends on how the engines been treated. Sure there are a few C16 lumps going round with problems now, but the engine is like nearly 15 years old in design!! 150bhp in a 15 year old engine, thats a 1.6!! Most modern car manufactures cant get that out of a 1.6 16v engine now!!
Also, does anyone know what engine the Current Corsa C rally car is using?> Its a 1600cc so can anyone confirm/deny whether they are using the X16XE engine or whether they completly designed a whole new engine just to use in their rally cars?
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royvious
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quote:
Originally posted by Daimo B
My opinion on the tuned C16XE
Fucking great. Donnas car, even though running 17"s, all that ICE and leather/bodykit etc, from 30-100mph it really wasn't that much slower than my 2.0 is!!! That was running a Mantzel box, exhaust manifold, custom mantzel mapped superchip etc...
my 2l in my corsa is runnig 185bhp and 175 lb ft of tourqe.it will beat a golf/corrardo vr6, uk impreza, type r civic (145lb ft tourqe), 172 clio, a3 turbos, audi t.t., new astra tubo, corrola 190. the list goes on and on and on. My 2.0 16 valve had a complete overhaul before going into my corsa. I changed pistons, rings, big end bearings, valves, bronze valve guides, hydraulic lifters. Everything was replaced for new items. It was a brand new block at the end. The mk 3 gsi box had a rebuild also to make it new again. My freinds at pro dive wrc subaru ported and polished the head to the highest standards. The whole engine was made with more care and precision than at the manufacturers. With a solid base the engine was ripe for tuning.
port and polish, magnecor 85mm ht leads,courtenay grp n ecu ;themostat;high lift cams,piper adjustable pullies, power cap,ram air induction kit,bronze valve guides,fse fuel pressure regulator,lexmaul ss 421 manifold (lagged to keep heat in),scorpion gte de cat, piper ss system and back box,one off 2 outlet large capacity radiator,adjustable thermostatic controller, uprated clutch, vauxhall v6 fuel pump and gte filter,injectors ultasonicly cleaned.
THe 1.6 xe shouldnt even be compared to the 2.0. Cosworth designed the head! Need we say any more!
I cant believe vauxhall strapped a hair dryer to the 2.0 eco tec. that cant even handle normal aspiration never mind a turbo. If people tune them they are going to go bang and if you leave em standard they ll do the same. The biggest joke is the 1.6 with the turbo.
Vauxhall have been forced into this by punters wanting a turbo.!
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royvious
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20 xe is the best engine vauxhall have ever made to date. it can handle more abuse than the 1.6. a 250bhp 1.6xe would last a day and it would then need a rebuild because of the stress. but a 2.0 xe with 250 bhp would go on and on. Daimo its obvious that the 250 bhp 1.6 would not resemble the 1.6 at youre vauxhall dealership. The internals would be so much more uprated.
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Daimo B
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Actually, Cosworth only designed the COCAST heads like i've got. These only came out for a year or so on the XE and a year or so on the LETS.
I should hope with 185bhp and 175lb ft torque that you could beat most corsas especially 1.6's!!!! Thats not a standard engine. The point i am making is that with a few carefully chosen modifications you can get a 1.6 to around the same power/less torque than the redtop.
The spec you have written is good, but its nothing fantastic? No overboard 88mm pistons and head, no throttle bodies etc.
I sorted a Corsa Vs Saxo day with the highest powered cars froma round the country. I know my vauxhall engines.
PS, acutally, try speaking to Miles. 1.6 16v Throttle bodies, around 180bhp and a 14.02 1/4 mile timed at Pod. OR maybe Lucky B's old 2.1 16v on TB doing a 4.97 0-60, or maybe Andy Hamiltons 1.6 16v running 214bhp and a 0-60 of 6.09 without LSD or anything!!!!
2.0 are good, but the C16XE is a fantastic engine.
PS, Asta does 0-60 in 7.4, same as a VR6, and my Corsa is lighter and will also beat a VR6. I have a 2.0 16v myself, and have owned my car for nearly 4 years, so i know my buiscuits 
AS for people tuning a Z20LET, bollocks, i know tuning development is in progress and already people are running around 300bhp (250bhp is the max on the standard fuel pump).
In fact, at PVS2003 this year, someone who visits this board and is runnign over 300bhp was getting a 13.9 1/4 mile. But his engine is restricted to 250bhp again due to the fuel pump issue.
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Daimo B
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Originally posted by royvious
20 xe is the best engine vauxhall have ever made to date. it can handle more abuse than the 1.6. a 250bhp 1.6xe would last a day and it would then need a rebuild because of the stress. but a 2.0 xe with 250 bhp would go on and on. Daimo its obvious that the 250 bhp 1.6 would not resemble the 1.6 at youre vauxhall dealership. The internals would be so much more uprated.
250bhp XE lasting 1 day Dude, do you really really know what goes on in these engines?
Tune any engine and you need to uprate parts. Why have you uprated your parts?? More power, and to make it last!
You can't go into any dealer and buy a tuned 2.0 or 1.6 from teh dealer! Only engien you ccould buy tuned was the Nova Sport which came with the option of a race cam and had twin 40s.
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James R
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Give me 18months I'll be runnign 200Lbs out of a 1.4 16V lotus designed the head.
The 20XE is a stonking engine, but the 14/16XE has 88% the surface area of the XE so can has a better maxmum power potential
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broster
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would like to no how u are gunna do this! seems interesting! u2u me ur plans, ill keep it quiet if u want
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royvious
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Im not into the throttle bodies because i set out to make a car similar to the type r civic for a little less money. I didnt want a real lairey valver which would have put me in a different league to the honda. I just wanted to make sure that i had a fresh engine and box and that cost over £1200 alone. The next step was to match the spec of the type r by modernising the red top. It was very expensive time for me.The grp N spec matched the requirements. Thatch at EMS in aylesbury rebuilt the bottom end and gear box and fitted the unit along with 16 v brakes all round and psx spax kit with 35mm springs. The head was given to my best freind steve who is an engine builder for the world rally cars.cosworth designed the head.Some units were made at cosworth and some by vaux/opel.only difference coscast has a stronger heater matrix connection on side of head.Built to same internal design. Steve gave it the works.All new parts and an amazing port and polish to let the thing breathe!Intenals were standard genuine parts.As the stock injection was being used the standard parts were strong enough to do the job.
A freind went to the pv show last year and he said that alot of the 16 v conversions were not as well built as my 2.0.
He saw a head on a stand and the port and polish didn't come up to scratch. Next step in the summer is to lighten and balance the flywheel and crank and call it a day. I need to find out what she'll do the quater mile in! Its a street sleeper with dark grey monza 15'' wheels and standard body version 2. The Only give away is the exhaust note and large 16v brakes. The rest is how it left luton
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wainey
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sum people i do believe are on a serious amount of CRACK
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