ado
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Just thought all you modders out there would like to know this.
Was done for speeding few months ago,sent the form off with no signature,they sent back i sent back with no signature again,they sent back again with letter telling me that if i didnt sign it they would sent officers round to do interview.
Thought i should send off for my pics that were taken off me speeding.
Ive jusy recieved them and theres no way that i can be identified from these photos,i rang them up agian and asked if they were as good pics they have got they said yes.
Taking them to the solicitor next week.
O and not had any officers at the door yet.
IF ANY OF YOU GET DONE FOR SPEEDING ALLWAYS GET THE PICS,IF THEY CANT IDENTIFY YOU GO TO THE LEGAL BEAGLES THEY WILL GET YOU OFF IF YOU CANT BE IDENTIFIDED WITHOUT ANY DOUT.
Happy F***ing off the police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
[Edited on 11-01-2004 by ado]
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dannycorsa c
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but they will still ask who was driving ur car at this time wont they! and were u were at this time and who u lent the car to if it wasnt you! the only way i can see getting round that is if it was a works vehicle that many people have access to then u can say that u cant be sure who wud have been drivin at the particular time!
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Makarus
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They will still catch you.
Can they identify it is your car??? If so they will then blame it on you.
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dannycorsa c
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you cant say it werent u drivin as they will ask u who u lent the car to and u cant say i dont no coz no 1 in there right mind wud lend there car to any tom dick or harry wud they
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Tom J
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is there any1 else insured on the vehicle? if u say to them u and the other person were swapping over driving so u dont know who was driving?
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WARPED
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in a recent case someone with an insurance policy got off from speeding as the police could prove who was driving... BUT
you have to be able to prove that it could have been either of you driving and that you have made an effort to recall the driver, unless its your wife/girlfriend who u always share the car with (or a mate you could say u always share the drivin with  ) then unlikely to get away with it
worth a try though 
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Makarus
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The way they work is if they can see the registration number of the car they will prosecute the legal owner as registered to the DVLA, because they see that because it is your car you should at all times know who is in control of it, if not then they can only logically put the blame at your door.
They aint stupid mate.
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whitter45
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my mate tried it and ended up with a bigger fine and more points, not worth it
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CRB 553
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no its the driver not the car owner that gets done...
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Ian
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Registered keeper gets it. They won't leave it open.
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leon_in_uk
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wish they would of let me off before i lost my licence with 6 points in 1 day!!!! ttt. the solicitors didnt give a shite and they didnt no or want to no about the loop hole!
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Scott
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wouldnt it cost more to go a legal route than a £60 fine would ???
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JJ
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I did actually get away with this once, they sent the notice of intended prosecution out to me (by recorded delivery), i filled it in (within 21 days) but filled in the wrong bit... They sent it back (not by recorded delivery) asking me to complete the form properly and send it back with in 28 days... I thought id risk it cos it wasnt sent by recorded delivery and could maybe just say i never recieved it, so i chucked it in the bin... that was 8 months ago... think I'm in the clear
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leon_in_uk
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do the crime and pay the fine you fckuker i had to and lost my licence, teached me a lesson just get on with it........
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leon_in_uk
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stop tryin to creap under your rug
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WARPED
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If a brown envelope arrives, don't open it. Hand it to another member of the household saying: "please deal with this and ensure that my legal obligations are met." The form should not be signed to ensure that it is not admissible under s12 of the RTOA 1988. It is important that you do not give instructions about how the envelope should be dealt with. This will ensure that your rights are the same as Yorke's.
There's an advantage in running Yorke's defence if the person who fills in the form can't testify against you. This applies to spouses and to legal representatives who are bound by "client privilege".
trick is, your wife cant testify against her husband
this is how dwight yorke got away with it
[Edited on 12-01-2004 by WARPED]
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WARPED
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anyone know if this is still the case as i havent dealth with a case concerning speeding for ages, though i did hear that recently someone (i think hamiltons) got away with it as they shared the driving all the time and cudnt remember who was driving at the time.
any other legal guys on here know the case im on about?
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JJ
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so what does the wife fill in on the form then???
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leon_in_uk
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dwight yorke is also a millionaire... ttt. the best site for this is www.pepipoo.co.uk just put upo with it, you cant win anymore.. the loophole has been figured out
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big eck
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quote:
Originally posted by Makarus
They will still catch you.
Can they identify it is your car??? If so they will then blame it on you.
Just because it was his car it dosent mean he was driving, the police cant force you to admit you were driving, its a breach of human rights.
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JJ
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Surely they can force u to say who was driving!!!
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baza31
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What happens if some1 nicks ur plates and goes thru a speed camera at 90. can u get out of it???
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WARPED
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JJ - wife fills in the form as your spouse cannot testify aginst you in court, that means she cannot be a part of the presecutions case.
it is illegal under the human rights act to make you say you were driving but there is a law which says that the registered keeper of the car has to provide informaiton on who was driving, as ive already said, in the case of christina hamilton (i think) as the registered keeper they showed that they had made an effort to remember who was driving but couldnt actually work it out, getting around the problem.
you could claim that it isnt your car (and some1 must have copied your plates), but not sure on the law regarding this, imagine you would have to have an alliby from an independant witness, ie not one of your mates and the burden of provving you werent in the car would be on your head.
easier just not to get caught speeding by not speeding
[Edited on 12-01-2004 by WARPED]
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JJ
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Well said, however, i just threw the second notice in the bin and havnt heard anything since... been 8 months now... do ya think I'm in the clear??? I still panic every time a brown letter is sent to me house lol...
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WARPED
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i think there is an experiy time by which they have to have began proceedings against you, not too sure on that but would be worth finding out if the letter ever turns up, also heard a story from a friend of mine that if you send the cheque off for the fine and make it say 1 pound more than it should be, then when they send u back a cheque for 1 pound (the difference) dont cash it, as only when you have cashed it can they put points on your liscense
not sure if its true but might be worth a try
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