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eastend

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18th Mar 08 at 00:55

Anyone on here that has driven one?

What are they like? driveability? how do they compare with the c20xe for aceleration?

Looking at something along the lines of this spec on the x16xe.

Mantzle Inlet
Janspeed 4-2-1
Newman 264 Cams
Dbilas Vernier Pullies
BMC CDA Induction Kit
Decat
Ported And Polished Head
Dastek Unichip (remap) With 7500rpm Limit

The reason i ask is this is the spec i am currently working towards and just want to know how it would perform as i know theres not many that tune 1.6's in this way as the 2.0 litre or throttle bodies is the preferred way?

thanks

Dean_W

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18th Mar 08 at 01:04

It wouldn't have the torque unless set up very well i suppose.

Plus theres no replacement for displacement

Mine was 132 on dodgy rollers, and it drove ok, bit difference with an xe though.

But, everyone has a preference.

eastend

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18th Mar 08 at 01:11

yea i think mine is currently around 120/125bhp, but that is guessing as it hasnt been on the rollers yet.

Spec it currently has is

Mantzle inlet
Janspeed 4-2-1
BMC CDA
Decat
Superchip - raised limit to 7000rpm.

just wondering what the performance will be like with the adding of, cams, proper map and headwork etc

would it be able to stay with a 2litre corsa?

Dean_W

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18th Mar 08 at 01:15

It'd make a hell of a difference, especially if it's mapped properly and the cams dialled in.

I reckon a 150BHP 1.6 wouldn't keep with a 150BHP 2.0. Displacement would pull it through i reckon.

eastend

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18th Mar 08 at 01:18

yea it would be all set up correctly by the mappers from a dastek dealer
and the cams will be dialled in to there optimum, so will look forward to it being done

i know getting torque out of the small block is a bit of a problem?

do you have a rough idea of the sort of torque figure that would be produced from the final spec on the x16xe?

[Edited on 18-03-2008 by eastend]

Dean_W

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18th Mar 08 at 01:21

I'm not sure with mapping and stuff, but mine only gained about 2ft/lb.

That spec was mantzel, headwork, high torque cams (yeah right), manifold and de-cat.

Standard cam timing and ECU.

eastend

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18th Mar 08 at 01:26

thats interesting, you say dodgy rollers what did you personally belive it to be (bhp wise)?

do you think 150bhp is achieveable with the above spec?

[Edited on 18-03-2008 by eastend]

Dean_W

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18th Mar 08 at 09:05

Yes, i'd say so. Dependant on cams and mapping.

With a similar spec to that Monster is wanting 150BHP, but i'm sure his has been bored out to a 1.7.

Stu_22

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18th Mar 08 at 10:29

but for all the bits(cams, headwork, uni chip, mantzel) your have big chunk of what throttle bodies will cost.
I have 140bhp with just the throttle bodies on a standard 1.6

Ash_EP3

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18th Mar 08 at 11:57

I have seen that you can get 140+bhp with just
- Cat-back
- Inlet Manifold
- Enclosed Induction kit

So yea I'd say that you can get 150 easily with that setup, not sure about how it would compare to a redtop tho

Dean_W

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18th Mar 08 at 13:06

quote:
Originally posted by S214_UPP
I have seen that you can get 140+bhp with just
- Cat-back
- Inlet Manifold
- Enclosed Induction kit

I disagree.

Scotty C

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18th Mar 08 at 13:30

My old sport was 130bhp ish and it kept with a standard valver Corsa to 80mph (had a 1.4 exhaust though)

Had a play with a valver Nova too, but I did come out of corner quicker so sat with him until we hit 4th, then he pulled away, only very slowly though.

This is why I tune 1.6's becuase the attention they get when you keep with these bigger engined cars

[Edited on 18-03-2008 by Monster]

Scotty C

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18th Mar 08 at 13:33

quote:
Originally posted by eastend
thats interesting, you say dodgy rollers what did you personally belive it to be (bhp wise)?

do you think 150bhp is achieveable with the above spec?

[Edited on 18-03-2008 by eastend]

Yes. Thats EXCATLY the same as I'm aiming for (apart from mine is 1648cc) Get the C16XE head though, they have bigger ports, and generally a better head design.

[Edited on 18-03-2008 by Monster]

Hamish

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18th Mar 08 at 13:48

quote:
Originally posted by S214_UPP
I have seen that you can get 140+bhp with just
- Cat-back
- Inlet Manifold
- Enclosed Induction kit

So yea I'd say that you can get 150 easily with that setup, not sure about how it would compare to a redtop tho

sorry but

gavin18787

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18th Mar 08 at 17:36

I can keep with a 2.0 corsa to about 70ish

However this relies on me been in the power band all the time. would get destroyed by an xe if it was from a rolling start etc

Drives supercharged Tec with torque

csweatherston

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18th Mar 08 at 17:59

quote:
Originally posted by Monster

quote:
Originally posted by eastend
thats interesting, you say dodgy rollers what did you personally belive it to be (bhp wise)?

do you think 150bhp is achieveable with the above spec?

Yes. Thats EXCATLY the same as I'm aiming for (apart from mine is 1648cc) Get the C16XE head though, they have bigger ports, and generally a better head design.

it depends on the casting number...
the best head to search for is one with cloverleaf shaped ports...
ive seen 10+bhp added to a standard x16 by using this head

Vaux Lad

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18th Mar 08 at 18:47

quote:
Originally posted by S214_UPP
- Cat-back
- Inlet Manifold
- Enclosed Induction kit

That would give 120bhp on a good day.

A 150hp 2L 16v would be quicker than a 150bhp 1.6 16v.

csweatherston

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18th Mar 08 at 19:34

^^^ it depends how the 150bhp is used...
if you have a 1.6 capable of 180bhp, mapped to give a good 150hp with a nice smooth torque figure, it will be quicker

Steve X16XE

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18th Mar 08 at 21:52

quote:
Originally posted by Vaux Lad

quote:
Originally posted by S214_UPP
- Cat-back
- Inlet Manifold
- Enclosed Induction kit

That would give 120bhp on a good day.

125.2 bhp with full exhaust done, mantzel and k&n panel filter.

Steve X16XE

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18th Mar 08 at 21:53

quote:
Originally posted by Vaux Lad
A 150hp 2L 16v would be quicker than a 150bhp 1.6 16v.

Round a track? Not a chance

RCS

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18th Mar 08 at 22:41

quote:
Originally posted by csweatherston

quote:
Originally posted by Monster

quote:
Originally posted by eastend
thats interesting, you say dodgy rollers what did you personally belive it to be (bhp wise)?

do you think 150bhp is achieveable with the above spec?

Yes. Thats EXCATLY the same as I'm aiming for (apart from mine is 1648cc) Get the C16XE head though, they have bigger ports, and generally a better head design.

it depends on the casting number...
the best head to search for is one with cloverleaf shaped ports...
ive seen 10+bhp added to a standard x16 by using this head

C16XE head gives a higher compression ratio, which is why it performs slightly better.

Richardhhha

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18th Mar 08 at 23:22

c20xe corsa round a track would get trounced by a 150bhp c16xe mainly because the c20xe is soo much heavyer and will not hold as tight a line or the same corner speed as a c16xe, if you want one to keep up with a xe'd corsa then get yourself a lightened flywheel and a different final drive, dave a did this and said it became quite hairy with such a quick reving engine or words to that effect..... get a flywheel and final drive, and you wont be disapointed

Vaux Lad

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18th Mar 08 at 23:34

quote:
Originally posted by Richardhhha
c20xe corsa round a track would get trounced by a 150bhp c16xe mainly because the c20xe is soo much heavyer and will not hold as tight a line or the same corner speed as a c16xe, if you want one to keep up with a xe'd corsa then get yourself a lightened flywheel and a different final drive, dave a did this and said it became quite hairy with such a quick reving engine or words to that effect..... get a flywheel and final drive, and you wont be disapointed

I wouldn't put money on it tbh!
Maybe if the xe was on Gmax suspension yeah

Steve X16XE

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18th Mar 08 at 23:34

Mr Vsport also said that apart from his TB's, that final drive mod is the best thing he's done to that car.

Guess what i'm looking out for in the scrappers...... F13CR and an F10 box with a 4.18FD

eastend

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18th Mar 08 at 23:38

i know that changing the final drive it affects top end performance as in top speed, but have never known by how much?

is it a big decrease on top end or minimal?

[Edited on 18-03-2008 by eastend]

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