Pablo
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What do you thinks better for my iphone 3GS:
B&W Zepplin
Or
Yamaha PDX50
Or Or spend similar sort of money on an amp, dock and speakers?
Logic 3 Valve 80
[Edited on 29-10-2009 by Pablo]
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Chrissy
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You'll have to make sure they all charge the 3GS. Apple changed the charging system on the new models so a lot of older docks wont charge the iphone.
>>>> Chris <<<<
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Pablo
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They all do 
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AlunJ
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the logic valve one should sound pretty damn awesome
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Pablo
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Heard the zepplin, not the others
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mwg
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The B&W would be my choice. Its meant to sound brill and it looks sexy
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Pablo
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Its a great sound, but wondering if the valve would look a bit different, plus the B&W is the most expensive...
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jamied
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my dad has the B&W Zepplin and its a lovely piece of kit great sound and looks.think they have jsut replaced it?
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by AlunJ
the logic valve one should sound pretty damn awesome
Depends on the tubes - no doubt they'll be cheap chinese or russian efforts, in which case i find a lot of them to be a little harsh. If you're looking at valves/tubes i would opt for something like the ZVex iMPAMP + B&W/Teac/Wharfedale bookshelfs + Apple iPod/iPhone dock. Unfortunately they aren't cheap at around 300 quid (amp only) but they're stupidly impressive. Only other amps for similar money would be a kit tube amp, something like a bottlehead or WAD and then replace the stock tubes for NOS/JAN tubes (Mullards, Philips, Sylvania etc - tend to be old military tubes), but it's serious effort.
I have heard the Zepplin and it is pretty good, although i still think it's a little pricey for what it is.
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Pablo
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I listened to the bose one the other day, wasnt as impressed.
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Pablo
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http://www.orbitsound.com/product.asp?id=3&admetasaid=1210249
Oh I like this, can dock my phone and link PC to it, will sit nice under the TV and has a nice little sub for bit of punch...
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DaveyLC
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quote:
Originally posted by AlunJ
the logic valve one should sound pretty damn awesome
WTF is the point of using an analouge ampl on a digital output? 
Is that not like towing a car with a horse? 
[Edited on 30-10-2009 by DaveyLC]
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC
quote:
Originally posted by AlunJ
the logic valve one should sound pretty damn awesome
WTF is the point of using an analouge ampl on a digital output?
Is that not like towing a car with a horse?
[Edited on 30-10-2009 by DaveyLC]
Don't understand 
Most docks draw analog out of the ipod/iphone anyways, although there are a number of docks and DIY mods that'll bypass the onboard DACs - so you could then use an external DAC.
If you mean, what's the point of using a digital media player on a tubed amp, then it's no different to using a CD/DVD player.
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John
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC
quote:
Originally posted by AlunJ
the logic valve one should sound pretty damn awesome
WTF is the point of using an analouge ampl on a digital output?
Is that not like towing a car with a horse?
[Edited on 30-10-2009 by DaveyLC]
It's about the sound the valves produce.
It's nothing to do with a digital amp being more efficient, cheaper and taking up less space
Whether you prefer the sound that the valve amp produces is a matter of opinion.
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DaveyLC
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My point is how can you make an MP3 compressed track sound better? The whole point of MP3 is it strips out all of the sub-audiable shit and the crap that you get in the background of an analouge recording.
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DaveyLC
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quote:
Originally posted by Dom
If you mean, what's the point of using a digital media player on a tubed amp, then it's no different to using a CD/DVD player.
CD audio isnt compressed.. It can be a like for like recording.. For example if you made a live recording you wont lose any clarity.
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DaveyLC
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quote:
Originally posted by Dom
If you mean, what's the point of using a digital media player on a tubed amp, then it's no different to using a CD/DVD player.
CD audio isnt compressed.. It can be a like for like recording.. For example if you made a live recording you wont lose any clarity unlike a MP3 recording.
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AlunJ
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when you've heard the sound from valves, you'll understand anyhow. Had a play with a marshall valve amp once upon a time and it just sounds stunning.
[Edited on 30-10-2009 by AlunJ]
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by DaveyLC
quote:
Originally posted by Dom
If you mean, what's the point of using a digital media player on a tubed amp, then it's no different to using a CD/DVD player.
CD audio isnt compressed.. It can be a like for like recording.. For example if you made a live recording you wont lose any clarity.
You're right, CD isn't compressed however most recordings aren't 'like for like'. Infact most of the time you're not recording at 44k @ 16bit, you'd have your sampling rate set at 48/88.2/96KHz @ 24 or 32bit, so when it comes to downsampling for CD (44k/16) you tend loose data (or clarity as you put it) from what was originally recorded. However, taking onboard Nyquist's theory, recording at high sampling rates like 96KHz, which gives a maximum recording frequency of 48KHz (half of the SR - twice what a human can audible hear), you can also end up with a lot more overtones and harmonics creeping into recording come downsampling.
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Originally posted by DaveyLC
My point is how can you make an MP3 compressed track sound better?
Technically, you can't, as they say 'you can't polish a turd'.
But then no one said that using a tube'd amp makes a compressed track sound better, it sounds different, as john said, it's then up to your whether auidbly it sounds better to using a digital amp.
Edit - Although the input source (mp3 stream for example) is constant you can add auible information back into the sound - ie: a lot of sound docks will EQ input source to add data back into the bottom and low ends. Also, due to design in the preamp and amp stages, different amps (be it tubed or IC/transistor) will change the sound in someway. So again, there isn't a technical better, it's whether audible sounds changes the amp does on the input source sounds 'better' to you.
I constantly have this conversation with the old man - him developing sound level meters where it's crucial that the data is as accurate as possible (both analog and digital realms), uses 99.9% flat response mics that have to be able to measure grass growing etc (thinks distortion is bollocks, whether it be that of a tube adding it or different cables used adding distortion) and me, sound engineer, who believes analog is great and added distortion (to the signal chain) is a bonus.
Anyways, way off topic
[Edited on 30-10-2009 by Dom]
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Pablo
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http://www.richersounds.com/product/soundbars/samsung/htws1gt/sams-htws1gt
Or maybe this?
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Pablo
http://www.richersounds.com/product/soundbars/samsung/htws1gt/sams-htws1gt
Or maybe this?
Get the zepplin tbh, sounds pretty damn good for an All-in-one
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Pablo
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Was thinking tI can run my Tv through this and iphone
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Pablo
Was thinking tI can run my Tv through this and iphone
in which case splash out on a AV setup and the just get an apple dock (3.5mm jack to phono to the aux on the AV system), it's what i do.
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Pablo
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Problem is space mate, I just got rid my 5.1 cos i might be moving out my flat into a rented room. Not sure
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Dom
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quote:
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Problem is space mate, I just got rid my 5.1 cos i might be moving out my flat into a rented room. Not sure
Could always get a decent 2.0/2.1 setup? Personally i've never been a fan of samsung audio gear, just never sounds that great...
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