John
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Is the 5s going to look same as the 5? How long roughly till the 6 comes out? I was going to upgrade but might just wait
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A2H GO
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Has anyone used this sensor yet to determine if it works 100% everytime and is as secure as a 4 digit pin?
i dont think thay are trying to say its more secure than a passcode protection etc, but better than nothing which they say 50% of people (non-enterprise) currently use a sprotection. also the pay with touch is good too
Its not better than nothing if it doesnt work every time, or it requires fiddling around with finger positions. Nothing at least works everytime.
Passwords require fiddling about with fingers and incorrect typing too not to mention memorising them all, especially if you use secure ones.
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Steve
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4 digit pin is fairly reliable, and will work everytime if you arent a spaz
If the finger sensor doesnt work everytime even if it fails occasionally people will switch it off.
[Edited on 11-09-2013 by Steve]
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mwg
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I guess you could use any part of your body to unlock the phone 
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Steve
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What you saying?
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mwg
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That you could use your nose
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A2H GO
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4 digit pin is fairly reliable, and will work everytime if you arent a spaz
I've never used a pin as stated previously, I used one for about 2 days before getting sick of it. Agree if it's not reliable this will be just as much of a pain in the arse (and if you've read my posts, I'm more skeptical than anyone) but going off the first impressions of people who've used it (posted a couple of pages back) it looks to be fast and reliable.
Unlocking is clearly a minor benefit (not needing a password to buy stuff is a bigger overlooked benefit imo) and just the start compared to whats it's likely to be capable of going forward.
[Edited on 11-09-2013 by A2H GO]
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Bart
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it'll really become more popular once the hardware is opened up to 3rd part apps and developers.
Only downside is it'll give the NSA a vast amount of fingerprint records.
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LeeM
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Heard on the radio Apple market share fallen from 17% to 14%,, Samsung are the market leaders, the last time Apple launched a revolutionary market changing product was 2010 with the iPad, and this new iPhone 5C costs is a lot higher than people were expecting
because samsung release about 20 phones a year. even the S4 is seen as a cheaper alternative, not the brand image apple want.
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Rob_Quads
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The big questions is how secure is it. Its been said to be secure but how secure.
4 pin pass-codes would not be accepted by any major corp so the big question is does this meet their requirements.
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Steve
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Originally posted by Steve
Heard on the radio Apple market share fallen from 17% to 14%,, Samsung are the market leaders, the last time Apple launched a revolutionary market changing product was 2010 with the iPad, and this new iPhone 5C costs is a lot higher than people were expecting
because samsung release about 20 phones a year. even the S4 is seen as a cheaper alternative, not the brand image apple want.
Seems they are happy to buck that trend by releasing a plastic phone. Also two phones of the same model!
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A2H GO
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The big questions is how secure is it. Its been said to be secure but how secure.
4 pin pass-codes would not be accepted by any major corp so the big question is does this meet their requirements.
They’ve still got the passcode option if not so it’s not really an issue. As far as tech companies go, Apple take security pretty seriously, I can’t imagine they've would have replaced your Apple ID password with it if it wasn’t at least as secure at that.
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A2H GO
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Originally posted by Steve
Heard on the radio Apple market share fallen from 17% to 14%,, Samsung are the market leaders, the last time Apple launched a revolutionary market changing product was 2010 with the iPad, and this new iPhone 5C costs is a lot higher than people were expecting
because samsung release about 20 phones a year. even the S4 is seen as a cheaper alternative, not the brand image apple want.
Also two phones of the same model!
What on earth are you on about? 
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chris_uk
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Battery going to be any better than the shit in the 4s...
A 20min phone call, 30 mins on candy crush and about 2 hours of internet, facebook, ebay browsing and im on 20% left...
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Originally posted by Bart
it'll really become more popular once the hardware is opened up to 3rd part apps and developers.
Only downside is it'll give the NSA a vast amount of fingerprint records.
Whether you believe them or not is another matter, but they said in the keynote that the fingerprint data is never backed up to the cloud. It never leaves your device.
>>>> Chris <<<<
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A2H GO
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Originally posted by Bart
it'll really become more popular once the hardware is opened up to 3rd part apps and developers.
Only downside is it'll give the NSA a vast amount of fingerprint records.
Whether you believe them or not is another matter, but they said in the keynote that the fingerprint data is never backed up to the cloud. It never leaves your device.
They've already got everybodys 'face unlock' photos anyway.
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Steve
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by LeeM
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Originally posted by Steve
Heard on the radio Apple market share fallen from 17% to 14%,, Samsung are the market leaders, the last time Apple launched a revolutionary market changing product was 2010 with the iPad, and this new iPhone 5C costs is a lot higher than people were expecting
because samsung release about 20 phones a year. even the S4 is seen as a cheaper alternative, not the brand image apple want.
Also two phones of the same model!
What on earth are you on about?
5S and a 5C if thats not diluting a brand i dont know what is
[Edited on 11-09-2013 by Steve]
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ed
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OrRob does have a point to be fair. The improvements aren't that big when you compare it to the build up for the announcement. IE it warrants a news story on news websites.
Impressive, but its not a lot different from a 5. Just like the 5 wasn't a huge leap from the previous model.
the strategy of bringing out a new model every 6-12 months is like when Man United would bring out a new shirt every away game too!
The build up has nothing to do with Apple though, all the sent out is this:
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Dom
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The big questions is how secure is it. Its been said to be secure but how secure.
4 pin pass-codes would not be accepted by any major corp so the big question is does this meet their requirements.
They’ve still got the passcode option if not so it’s not really an issue. As far as tech companies go, Apple take security pretty seriously, I can’t imagine they've would have replaced your Apple ID password with it if it wasn’t at least as secure at that.
Again, there's very little information around regarding the secure features AuthenTec is suppose to have. Until proven that a kid with a gummy bear (hence the term 'gummy print') can't dupe it, then it's purely a gimmick for consumers and shouldn't be use in enterprises (as Kyle mentioned, it shouldn't be used without two-factor anyway).
Four-pin passcode is still more secure though, plus it stops your mates gaining access when you're passed out
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A2H GO
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Apparently BiometricKit uses UIImage to store the fingerprint image.
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A2H GO
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The improvements aren't that big when you compare it to the build up for the announcement. .
The build up has nothing to do with Apple though, all the sent out is this:
Agreed, they only invited half as many attendees as normal and held it in their smallest venue. It's the public and media that have hyped it up.
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by A2H GO
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by LeeM
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Originally posted by Steve
Heard on the radio Apple market share fallen from 17% to 14%,, Samsung are the market leaders, the last time Apple launched a revolutionary market changing product was 2010 with the iPad, and this new iPhone 5C costs is a lot higher than people were expecting
because samsung release about 20 phones a year. even the S4 is seen as a cheaper alternative, not the brand image apple want.
Also two phones of the same model!
What on earth are you on about?
5S and a 5C if thats not diluting a brand i dont know what is
You trolling?
Two phones diluting the brand? Don't you own a Samsung? 
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The big questions is how secure is it. Its been said to be secure but how secure.
4 pin pass-codes would not be accepted by any major corp so the big question is does this meet their requirements.
They’ve still got the passcode option if not so it’s not really an issue. As far as tech companies go, Apple take security pretty seriously, I can’t imagine they've would have replaced your Apple ID password with it if it wasn’t at least as secure at that.
Until then it's purely a gimmick for consumers and shouldn't be use in enterprises...
Four-pin passcode is still more secure though
Agree with the first point, that's why they left the passcode option.
You've also just said there are no details on it's implementation so how can you say it's less secure than a 4 digit pin which can be cracked pretty easily.
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Balling
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I like the 5s and I'm getting one.
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Bart
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me too, upgrading from a 4S, what about you Balling?
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