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Dom

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11th Sep 13 at 13:53

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Originally posted by A2H GO

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Originally posted by Dom

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Originally posted by A2H GO

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The big questions is how secure is it. Its been said to be secure but how secure.

4 pin pass-codes would not be accepted by any major corp so the big question is does this meet their requirements.

They’ve still got the passcode option if not so it’s not really an issue. As far as tech companies go, Apple take security pretty seriously, I can’t imagine they've would have replaced your Apple ID password with it if it wasn’t at least as secure at that.

Until then it's purely a gimmick for consumers and shouldn't be use in enterprises...

Four-pin passcode is still more secure though

Agree with the first point, that's why they left the passcode option.

You've also just said there are no details on it's implementation so how can you say it's less secure than a 4 digit pin which can be cracked pretty easily.

It's less secure because we don't know exactly what security features the sensor offers against 'gummy'/fake prints; until it's be proven to be secure then it shouldn't be used.

As for the four digit passcode, there's 10K combinations and i believe iOS puts in delays in between tries and locks you out after so many as well; would make brute forcing a bit of a headache - this is as long as there isn't an exploit in the passcode system.

A2H GO

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11th Sep 13 at 14:02

So because it hasn’t been tested you’re automatically assuming it’s less secure as opposed to more secure? Probably a sensible assumption to make but not necessarily factual.

Not forgetting this is the first iteration, maybe next year they’ll have one that’s 1000ppi.

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11th Sep 13 at 14:03

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me too, upgrading from a 4S, what about you Balling?

From a 4!

Had this som'bitch since it was released 3 years ago and still going strong.

Longest I've ever owned a phone.

Rob_Quads

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11th Sep 13 at 14:04

There might be 10k combinations BUT I recon if I wanted to I could find out any of my friends passcodes (not that many bother)

Same as credit card pins. They are very easy to get by standing near someone in the shop.

Its the same as the swipe passwords that people think are really secure till you realise if you unlock it a lot without much other use there is a nice smudge mark all over the screen which you can use to get in.

Dom

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11th Sep 13 at 14:09

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Originally posted by A2H GO
So because it hasn't been tested you’re automatically assuming it’s less secure as opposed to more secure?

I would have thought that'd be common sense

Balling

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11th Sep 13 at 14:12

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I would have thought that'd be common sense

Yeah, I'm with Dom on that one. Unless it's proven to be secure, I'd assume it's not secure.

I'll have to agree with Ash as well though, that either way, it'll be a step up from zero security, which is what I'm using currently.

Dom

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11th Sep 13 at 14:13

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There might be 10k combinations BUT I recon if I wanted to I could find out any of my friends passcodes (not that many bother)

You know the subject, so you've got a better idea what it could be than someone that doesn't. But it's still going to take some time.

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Originally posted by Rob_Quads
Same as credit card pins. They are very easy to get by standing near someone in the shop.

Hence why there's common sense practises you employ, like covering the pin reader when using it

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Originally posted by Rob_Quads
Its the same as the swipe passwords that people think are really secure till you realise if you unlock it a lot without much other use there is a nice smudge mark all over the screen which you can use to get in.

True but wiping the screen before and after use solves that; that's what i do anyway.

Edit - Should point out, you can bypass Android's security anyway if you've got a recovery bootloader installed or 'USB Debugging' enabled

Edit 2 - Quick Google shows iOS can be bypassed too, ah well

[Edited on 11-09-2013 by Dom]

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11th Sep 13 at 14:19

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So because it hasn't been tested you’re automatically assuming it’s less secure as opposed to more secure?

I would have thought that'd be common sense

It's not common sense it's an assumption awaiting the facts.

Dom

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11th Sep 13 at 14:28

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Originally posted by Dom

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Originally posted by A2H GO
So because it hasn't been tested you’re automatically assuming it’s less secure as opposed to more secure?

I would have thought that'd be common sense

It's not common sense it's an assumption awaiting the facts.

It's common sense to assume something isn't safe until proven otherwise

You don't go sticking your head in the oven without checking the gas is off; you don't go changing a plug socket or light switch without checking the power is off to that socket/switch and similarly in IT, you don't apply software updates to a system/server without testing the update(s) first.

As Mike Skinner said - "Common sense simple common sense"

[Edited on 11-09-2013 by Dom]

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11th Sep 13 at 14:32

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Originally posted by Dom

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Originally posted by A2H GO

quote:
Originally posted by Dom

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
So because it hasn't been tested you’re automatically assuming it’s less secure as opposed to more secure?

I would have thought that'd be common sense

It's not common sense it's an assumption awaiting the facts.

It's common sense to assume something isn't safe until proven otherwise

You're confusing assumption with fact. I've already ageed it's sensible to assume the worst.

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Originally posted by A2H GO
...Probably a sensible assumption to make but not necessarily factual.

[Edited on 11-09-2013 by A2H GO]

Nismo

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11th Sep 13 at 14:37

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Originally posted by Rob_Quads
The big questions is how secure is it. Its been said to be secure but how secure.

4 pin pass-codes would not be accepted by any major corp so the big question is does this meet their requirements.

I may have missed this but you do realise that you can disable the simple 4 pin passcode and enter a longer one, words or pins?

[Edited on 11-09-2013 by Nismo]

Dom

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11th Sep 13 at 14:49

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Originally posted by A2H GO

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Originally posted by Dom

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO

quote:
Originally posted by Dom

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
So because it hasn't been tested you’re automatically assuming it’s less secure as opposed to more secure?

I would have thought that'd be common sense

It's not common sense it's an assumption awaiting the facts.

It's common sense to assume something isn't safe until proven otherwise

You're confusing assumption with fact. I've already ageed it's sensible to assume the worst.

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
...Probably a sensible assumption to make but not necessarily factual.

[Edited on 11-09-2013 by A2H GO]

You don't know the security surrounding the sensor, fact, therefore common sense dictates that it isn't safe until proven otherwise.

Either way this hasn't become debate or a discussion, it's you being a pedantic cunt as usual - so let's just leave it there

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11th Sep 13 at 16:33

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Two phones diluting the brand? Don't you own a Samsung?

Yes, im not saying others don't do it, im saying Apple owners can no longer stand there and argue the brand is exclusive therefore the higher prices are justified.

Marc

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11th Sep 13 at 16:43

But there has always variants - 8gb & 16gb and later 32gb.

Steve

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11th Sep 13 at 16:44

That's just memory though, this is a whole new cheaper quality phone to sit alongside.

Marc

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11th Sep 13 at 16:53

I'm surprised they didn't do it sooner. Makes the phone/brand available to a wider audience.

Just like the Macbook Air and Macbook Pro. Hopefully it is seen that the 5C has the same build quality as the 5S.

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11th Sep 13 at 17:00

Not much of a wider audience considering the price of it, seeing as you can get the Nexus equivalent for less than half the price of the 5c

Marc

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11th Sep 13 at 17:02

But then it goes back to people buying it because it has an apple with a bite taken out of it stamped on the back.

John

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11th Sep 13 at 17:23

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2294055/apples-iphone-5s-will-not-be-available-for-preorder

Don't know if everyone else had already seen that and I'd missed it?

That potentially means they will be in demand.

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11th Sep 13 at 18:21

5C was never meant to be a 'cheap' iPhone, the media made that up and now everyone's disappointed it's not cheap.

Yes John, I pointed out a couple of pages back, perhaps they're having problems with the yield rates on the sensor.

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11th Sep 13 at 18:21

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oprUI6nupfc

Did this get posted yet?

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Steve

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11th Sep 13 at 18:22

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Originally posted by A2H GO
5C was never meant to be a 'cheap' iPhone, the media made that up and now everyone's disappointed it's not cheap.

Yes John, I pointed out a couple of pages back, perhaps they're having problems with the yield rates on the sensor.

What's it meant to be then

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11th Sep 13 at 18:24

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oprUI6nupfc

Did this get posted yet?

Nath

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11th Sep 13 at 18:24

quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
5C was never meant to be a 'cheap' iPhone, the media made that up and now everyone's disappointed it's not cheap.

Yes John, I pointed out a couple of pages back, perhaps they're having problems with the yield rates on the sensor.

What's it meant to be then