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Originally posted by Paul_J

1) The power is gonna be pretty much the same so no differences there

The 1600 lump then has the potential to be tuned, I very much doubt the 1200 would go any more than 100bhp, or be reliable at this power

2) If you have low mileage like a lot of 1.2 16v owners do (especially corsa C owners) most will not want to dump their 20,000 mile engine for a 70,000 + mile 1.6 16v unit. This is not only for losing value on the car as a whole, but the 1.6 16v might be a bit fucked

very good point

I've raced 3 Gsi's - 1 down santa pod, I beat, 1 down dual carriage way near me I beat and 1 I was just following but was pretty much sat on its ass.

This tells you one thing, either my cars super fast, or all these 1.6 16v's aren't running at their best!!

no comment

(ok so just one comment....... 75 vs 109...... it doesnt take a genius, but yes i get your point about running conditions)

3) Following on from the value of your car thing, some people who are looking for a new car, may be scared away when buying because its a 'engine conversion', the 1.2 16v could be set back to standard and the inlet / chip combo sold onto someone else - I know I'd definately be interested in a second hand package!!

same as no 2, a valid reason for choosing to tune the 1200

4) Insurance. Some insurance companies won't like the fact its a engine converted car, even if they do - your premium will now be the 1.6 16v group - however, with the inlet manifold most insurance companies only add 10% to insurance - so you have your existing 1.2 16v group 3 insurance with 10% added (use the corsasport Adrian Flux discount and its no increase). Or you could do what James (essexracer) has done, and ring up your insurance company saying that your inlet manifold was cracked and you replaced it with a cheaper improved one.

If you can afford to spend a grand on a 1.2, you can afford to insure a GSi providing your not 17 with a claim or summit. Oh yeah, James your a sneaky bastid, and insurance is cheap as chips for you, go back to Gurnsey!!

5) It's just the fact that at the end of the day its still a 1.2 - If a 1.6 Gsi beats a VTR - so what? If a 1.2 beats a VTR thats pretty cool.

seeing your point, but still think its pissing money down the pan!


Of course this is only if your happy with 110 bhp - if your planning on having a really fast car - your pretty much hitting the limit around 110 bhp for not too much money on the 1.2 16v - If you want anymore, drop a 1.6 16v in and then get a inlet for that etc - or drop a 2.0 in.

im sorry, but i cannot see a reliable 110bhp coming from a 1200cc engine which originally had 75, without any kind of forced induction. Its just gona go pop

Thanks,

Paul J

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Of course this is only if your happy with 110 bhp - if your planning on having a really fast car - your pretty much hitting the limit around 110 bhp for not too much money on the 1.2 16v - If you want anymore, drop a 1.6 16v in and then get a inlet for that etc - or drop a 2.0 in.

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Greasemonkey says:
get a 1.6 to start with it makes sence

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ditch says:
If you can afford to spend a grand on a 1.2, you can afford to insure a GSi providing your not 17 with a claim or summit. Oh yeah, James your a sneaky bastid, and insurance is cheap as chips for you, go back to Gurnsey!!

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ditch says:
If you can afford to spend a grand on a 1.2, you can afford to insure a GSi providing your not 17 with a claim or summit. Oh yeah, James your a sneaky bastid, and insurance is cheap as chips for you, go back to Gurnsey!!

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£750 I was talking about spending, and to insure a 1.6 16v you'd have to convert your car first anyway! So thats £750 there, leaving no money to insure it!!!

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