John
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Come into the job with their big ideas of how they'll change everything to make it 'better' and leave their mark, not bothering to worry about any of the practicalities.
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Russ
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we have one who knows very little about it, so when they were employed they brought a colleague with them, so they go together to every meeting so he can answer the it questions 
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John
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That's another common one I see all the time. Hire one guy who doesn't have a clue about anything, especially IT, who then employs someone else who knows more (but normally not much more) to cover how bad they are.
I don't know what's said in the interviews to get them into that position in the first place.
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Jambo
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Come into the job with their big ideas of how they'll change everything to make it 'better' and leave their mark, not bothering to worry about any of the practicalities.
Tbh that is applicable to most jobs/companies.
I know sweet FA about computers, but I know the basics. This in a company of 50+ people who can barely turn a plug on means I'm a tech god. Ask me all kinds of stuff I wouldn't have a clue about. Assume I know because I can read a screen and follow simple instructions
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Gavin
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I'm a PM, however I came through the techie route and switched over to the dark side
I hate it that my mates haven't give me a chance to explain what I actually do, they just think I fix laptops and printers
I don't mind lending a hand when needed, but it does pee me off. Then again, I guess its the same with me asking someone who's pretty handy around cars to help out when I need to
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Hammer
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I do fix computers and I'm asked constantly, anywhere I go.
I don't charge mates/mates wouldn't charge me for doing anything they could do for me though.
If I do anything for mates I usually charge them as it stops them taking the piss. I mean I wont charge them anything like what it should cost, but a trivial amount keeps it sensible. EG I fitted some coilovers to my mates golf for 30 quid
1. You don't have mates 2. If you did, this is the reason why you wouldn't have them for very long.
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3CorsaMeal
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I stopped trying and now just wave my arms about in the air if my computer breaks, its much better being an idiot.
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Steve
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by John
I do fix computers and I'm asked constantly, anywhere I go.
I don't charge mates/mates wouldn't charge me for doing anything they could do for me though.
If I do anything for mates I usually charge them as it stops them taking the piss. I mean I wont charge them anything like what it should cost, but a trivial amount keeps it sensible. EG I fitted some coilovers to my mates golf for 30 quid
1. You don't have mates 2. If you did, this is the reason why you wouldn't have them for very long.
id another one this weekend, another 30 quidder (although he gave me 40)
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Kyle T
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Come into the job with their big ideas of how they'll change everything to make it 'better' and leave their mark, not bothering to worry about any of the practicalities.
I prefer a non technical manager. I've had a couple of bosses now which were very technical and it was a waste of talent to have them doing managerial stuff.
Non techy bosses are better, especially if they're capable in the project manager or business analyst skillsets so that they can manage my workload efficiently without knowing or caring about the oily bits.
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Gary
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Originally posted by Hammer
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Originally posted by Steve
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Originally posted by John
I do fix computers and I'm asked constantly, anywhere I go.
I don't charge mates/mates wouldn't charge me for doing anything they could do for me though.
If I do anything for mates I usually charge them as it stops them taking the piss. I mean I wont charge them anything like what it should cost, but a trivial amount keeps it sensible. EG I fitted some coilovers to my mates golf for 30 quid
1. You don't have mates 2. If you did, this is the reason why you wouldn't have them for very long.
This.
But also, when you still live at home, its not like he'll need any favours off his plumber mate when something leaks etc.
Just wait till he's 40 and has his own house and wants a favour from someone
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Steve
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Had my own house for 5 years m8. I wouldn't expect stuff done for free either. Id expect exactly what I do, charge a trivial amount to keep it under control. Wether that be just buying the materials or what.
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Steve
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You lot must have some pretty good mates if they will come round and paint your house for free, or rewire your electrics for nothing.
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John
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That's not the same is it.
If I was asked to spec and fit out an office there would be some payment involved.
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pow
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What John said, but when a mate (who would do something for me in return) asks me to remove some spyware/do something fairly minor (mate of mine asked me to run a cable for his XBOX the other day, did it by going through the loft and using the conduit in the walls for the electrical sockets ) I'm not gunna start charging them trivial amounts.
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pow
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Originally posted by John
Come into the job with their big ideas of how they'll change everything to make it 'better' and leave their mark, not bothering to worry about any of the practicalities.
I prefer a non technical manager. I've had a couple of bosses now which were very technical and it was a waste of talent to have them doing managerial stuff.
Non techy bosses are better, especially if they're capable in the project manager or business analyst skillsets so that they can manage my workload efficiently without knowing or caring about the oily bits.
I don't want to get into a fight but what about the technical people that want to move up the ranks and not sit in a windowless office all day for the rest of their life?
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Kyle T
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Originally posted by pow
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Originally posted by Kyle T
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Originally posted by John
Come into the job with their big ideas of how they'll change everything to make it 'better' and leave their mark, not bothering to worry about any of the practicalities.
I prefer a non technical manager. I've had a couple of bosses now which were very technical and it was a waste of talent to have them doing managerial stuff.
Non techy bosses are better, especially if they're capable in the project manager or business analyst skillsets so that they can manage my workload efficiently without knowing or caring about the oily bits.
I don't want to get into a fight but what about the technical people that want to move up the ranks and not sit in a windowless office all day for the rest of their life?
There are companies/environments which allow for progression in terms of salary and authority (assuming that's what you mean) without ducking out into management. It seems to be primarily datacentre environments or large IT outsourcing firms with technical architects earning more than middle management and they remain the technical authority without having to go through the management route of signing holiday forms and babysitting internal personality clashes
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Kyle T
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* But I agree in most S/M businesses the IT progression is First Line, Second Line, Third Line, Manager in most cases, so you're a bit stuck if you intend on staying there - which is why I referred to working with "wasted talent" before.
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Steve
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What John said, but when a mate (who would do something for me in return) asks me to remove some spyware/do something fairly minor (mate of mine asked me to run a cable for his XBOX the other day, did it by going through the loft and using the conduit in the walls for the electrical sockets ) I'm not gunna start charging them trivial amounts.
where did I say the guy was a mate? hes not a mate, he just lives down the road, it was about him not willing to offer his advise from his profession for nothing but expecting us too.
Mates came into it when I said I charge mate menial amounts for bigger "favours"
Fitting some lowering springs to someones car is best part of a day at the weekend, its not exactly a small job and I think 30 quid just as a token gesture is perfectly reasonable for that work even for a mate
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Dom
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But also, when you still live at home....
You sound very bitter about Steve living at home; i'm still none the wiser to why that is an issue, Gary? 
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3CorsaMeal
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I did a whole planning application for a mate, Probably about £2k of work.
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Steve
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Once I waited for a mate
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mwg
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Pretty much all I do is draw with AutoCAD at work but some people seem to think I have a clue about IT generally and be able to help them out with computer related problems.
I drive a car but people don't ask me to take a look at their car for them.
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Gary
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But also, when you still live at home....
You sound very bitter about Steve living at home; i'm still none the wiser to why that is an issue, Gary?
I just find it a bit sad really.
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Dom
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But also, when you still live at home....
You sound very bitter about Steve living at home; i'm still none the wiser to why that is an issue, Gary?
I just find it a bit sad really.
Why? There's million and one reasons why people live at home, most of them because it isn't financially viable for the time being.
Just sounds like you have a huge chip on your shoulder.....and that sounds "a bit sad really" 
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Gary
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Not at all. We're all entitled to our own opinions though.
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