Cavey
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$349 apparently, so probably £299 over here?
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Balling
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More expensive than the iPhone 6???
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Rob_Quads
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Er no the iPhone6 will be £500+ - The prices in the keynote were for on contract.
Looks like the watch is a $100/£100 premium over the likes of the Moto360 etc
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The prices in the keynote were for on contract.
You're right.
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Er no the iPhone6 will be £500+ - The prices in the keynote were for on contract.
Looks like the watch is a $100/£100 premium over the likes of the Moto360 etc
As expected, and i'd imagine it'll sell a hell of a lot more too
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Alright, fair play Apple. I liked what you had to show us today.
Would rather have seen an iPhone with longer battery life and a non-sticky-out lens rather than a thinner one, but alright.
Apple Pay looks interesting.
Apple Watch looks to be the least worst of the wearables out there.
Could have done without seeing Bono today, but all in all a good effort.
Go on then, Tim - pop it in; just the tip, mind.
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Agree on the battery. So do the measurements include the lens or not I wonder. Would have preferred the phone 2mm thicker and a bigger battery.
Apple Pay I think will work as they are already getting a good number of companies on board. More secure than the credit card NFC imo
Like the look of the Apple Watch but still not convinced on it. Also the fact I wear mine on the right arm means its a bit crap
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Someone on The Verge just mentioned that maybe you can flip the watch upside down for the right wrist... I actually wore my watch there for years, just trying to swap over atm!
Personally I think it looks complete rubbish. Great features... but if it looks shit, what's the point. Moto 360 is killing this atm.
Not impressed with the iPhone 6 either, too big (for me) and the rear just looks awful! I was seriously believing all the leaks were fake because it would never look that bad. I'm considering just keeping my iPhone 5S or changing to an HTC One.
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Liking the iPhone 6 in black (to some extent anyway). Massively confused about the protruding camera lens and the reason why they felt the need to make the case even thinner rather than going with the obvious and keeping it in the same thickness as the 5 but adding a bigger battery.
The GUI of the iWatch/Apple Watch, what ever it's called, doesn't look too bad and seems like it works well. The design however is, personally speaking, piss poor for an Apple device; it's far from Apple's usual eloquent designs and just looks like every other rectangle/square smart-watch around. At least the Moto 360 looks inconspicuous and like a typical watch rather than an electrical device with wrist strap.
Cook also didn't seem to shed any light on the battery and running time of the iWatch/Apple Watch 
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More secure than the credit card NFC imo.
Apple also doesn't have a great track-record with security surrounding it's current online services (quite a lot of obvious gaping holes still exist now), so i don't have much faith with them holding onto my card details.
And tbh, i would have thought holding a £700 device (mobile NFC payment devices in general) to a pin machine is a sure-fire way of getting mugged 
[Edited on 09-09-2014 by Dom]
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Why is it more secure than a credit card?
With an NFC reader you can read the card number and expiry off the card in plain text with no encrypion. This can be used to then order stuff online at places like amazon as they don't require the extra numbers on the actual card.
The tokenisation means your making a unique token for that device. If someone steals it and tries to use it on another device then it just would not work.
(Very simplified view)
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quote:
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Originally posted by Cavey
Why is it more secure than a credit card?
With an NFC reader you can read the card number and expiry off the card in plain text with no encrypion. This can be used to then order stuff online at places like amazon as they don't require the extra numbers on the actual card.
The tokenisation means your making a unique token for that device. If someone steals it and tries to use it on another device then it just would not work.
(Very simplified view)
Arrrgh, damn two threads! We'll leave it in the other thread...
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Blame the design of the iWatch on them hiring Marc Newson. This guy is stuck in the 90s of bulbous "futuristic" but not useful design.
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Apple also doesn't have a great track-record with security surrounding it's current online services (quite a lot of obvious gaping holes still exist now), so i don't have much faith with them holding onto my card details.
They said in the keynote that the cards aren't stored online, but locally on the device (besides the card on record with iTunes, obv.) to increase security.
Apple aren't involved in the transaction either. It happens directly from the card/bank to the vendor.
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John
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I'm all for moving forward so can't fault apple for trying this NFC payment. However, currently, can't see how that's easier than pulling my card out of the other pocket. If you have to go into an app, its much more difficult.
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Apple Pay works for any value. NFC cards only work <£20 and then also trigger a pin every so often.
You don't need to go into the app. You move it to the terminal, it just prompts for TouchID to confirm payment - see http://vimeo.com/105692144
You can't genuinely think its not easier to just pull your phone out as opposed to your wallet and getting your card out. Yes its only 1 step but its undeniably easier (unless you only carry cards in your pocket but thats not the mass use case)
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I genuinely don't think it's easier. As my post above, don't get me wrong, I'm not putting them down for trying, that's how we progress. Funnily enough, the watch idea is better (although I still think it's a bit rubbish) because you've already got it out. I'm not sure that will just work without you then putting your finger on the phone will it?
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I wouldn't trust and Apple device with unpresedended access to my bank account following recent developments. I'll wait for Google to release something that's 100 times better and half the price. For now I'll carry on doing the extremely painful process of pressing 5 buttons on a keypad.
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Dom
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They said in the keynote that the cards aren't stored online, but locally on the device (besides the card on record with iTunes, obv.) to increase security.
Apple aren't involved in the transaction either. It happens directly from the card/bank to the vendor.
In which case they're (Apple and card companies) sharing a hash of the card details, generated separately at either end, and using that for the transaction. If that's the case then the question becomes, how secure is the hashing algorithm? And how quickly can it be reversed engineered?
And how are Apple making money off this? Transaction fee?
Rob - Surely the Apple Pay app must prompt you to which card you want to use? If so, that's adding another step or two to the process.
And you're not getting away from the fact that you're a nice big target for getting your phone mugged every time you pull it out to pay for something.
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Can't beleive how unremarkable the watch looks. I think it looks nice, but compared to other apple designs it seems somewhat conservative and fiddly.
Wonder if it will flop!
Can't wait for the Watch/s/plus/air in March
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I think it will still sell bucket loads.
Will be interesting to see in in real life. From the reviews I've read they have said its made to the highest quality which I think will help it a lot
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Marc
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The straps look cheap. The metal strapped one looks good, the others, look tacky.
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Jambo
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No doubt they will sell more Watches than I have atoms in my body, just seems like the Jobs legacy fading away!
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Rob_Quads
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In which case they're (Apple and card companies) sharing a hash of the card details, generated separately at either end, and using that for the transaction. If that's the case then the question becomes, how secure is the hashing algorithm? And how quickly can it be reversed engineered?
If the banks are involved it will very very secure having seen some of the standards they have to work to and the way some of this stuff works. Your not allowed to just do what you want, there are very strict things to have to comply to. Is it hackable - yes but then everything is but how difficult in the question.
Whats out there at the moment is very hackable as shown by the recent stuff about Veriphone yet they are still common place in in the high street.
I'm not sure saying that Google will come up with a more secure system is a wise move. Just look in the news today - millions of account details leaked (yes they were got by phishing attacks etc not security loop holes they think but thats no different to the recent Apple stuff)
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John
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Was the apple stuff confirmed to be because of the brute force attacks on find my iPhone?
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Rob_Quads
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Yup it was that good old loophole called people using obvious passwords. The 'hack' in the loosest way was on specific accounts with specific passwords (which people suspect has been gained from other methods)
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