Matt H
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Isn't it something to do with the ariel being in the metal strip around the side? Apparently it's worse if you're left handed
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Rob_Quads
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Originally posted by John
That's a separate issue is it not.
The phone is misrepresenting the signal in the displayed bars, the iphone 4 is dropping calls as well as that.
How does the phone know its being held and change accordingly? Its behaving exactly the same except you don't have to 'touch to aerial join' like many think you do on the iPhone 4.
Pretty sure that would drop a call if you were right on the limit of a signal before touching it.
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John
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It's 2 separate issues from what I've read today.
The signal strength changes when you pick it up, same with any phone (normally) iOS4 was just showing that as less bars when it shouldn't really.
Then there is an issue with bridging the 2 antennas on the iphone 4, which totally cuts the reception.
The antennas are the metal strip around the body on the 4, they are different in the 3GS.
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Hammer
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My wee brother queued from 6 this morning until half 2 to get one of these things. It looks a bit more sleek and has a nice looking screen but seriously, a massive waste of time and money. It works no different from the old one.
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Paul_J
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they're going for £1000 at the moment on ebay.
WTF ... people are paying a GRAND for a phone  jesus.
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Whittie
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BNIB-Apple-Iphone-4-32GB-SIM-FREE-/270597957004?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item3f00e5258c
Worth buying a couple pay as you go and sticking them on eBay!
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adiohead
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people are mad.
this is why I don't like them.
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ed
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LOLz
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Bart
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To put it into perspective this issue also affects the 3GS, 3G and google Nexus One.
Bummer if your left handed I guess, I'm not.
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Steve
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people dont even know why they are buying the new iPhone, theres nothing special, or revolutionary then what other phones could do a year ago, this is the typical 'uni' mentality that is destroying our nations youth
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Steve
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Id love to have seen the amount of stupid girls sobbing away on the doorsteps of clubs last night because they had taken there new iPhone out and in a drunken stupor lost it
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Bart
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people dont even know why they are buying the new iPhone, theres nothing special, or revolutionary then what other phones could do a year ago, this is the typical 'uni' mentality that is destroying our nations youth
If everyone had that attitude then people wouldn't ever upgrade a single phone would they?
My phone contract ran out a while ago and I chose to wait for the new iPhone before upgrading a new contract, there's nothing wrong with that.
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Steve
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got no problems with buying them, its the mindless ways that people are going about it
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Rob_Quads
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Originally posted by Steve
Id love to have seen the amount of stupid girls sobbing away on the doorsteps of clubs last night because they had taken there new iPhone out and in a drunken stupor lost it
I would have said they were few and far between. In all the queues I saw yesterday most of them had single men, groups of late teens, and couples (alarmling with kids. WHY stand in a queue for hours with a child. Leave them at home). meaning it was a very small %age that would be single girls out on the lash.
Virtually everyone with a 3G will upgrade because it is a GOOD step up. Revolutionary...no but what they do they do very well (bar the obviously leftie issue lol)
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Rob_Quads
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lol
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adiohead
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sucks. left handed 
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Paul_J
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wow he is an utter douche if this is his official stand point:
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A few hours later, Jobs responded with the following:
Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases.
- jesus.
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John
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Originally posted by Bart
Bummer if your righthanded I guess
You hold the phone with your left hand while you do stuff with the right.
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LeeM
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no matter how i hold my 3gs it never loses any signal. i have it in my left hand right now with 5 bars and 3g :s
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Bart
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quote:
Originally posted by John
quote:
Originally posted by Bart
Bummer if your righthanded I guess
You hold the phone with your left hand while you do stuff with the right.
depends on how you operate the phone I guess, mine sits in my right hand (with bottom right corner in palm), rest on my last 2 fingers and I operate the phone with my right hand thumb (including sms).
I admit to having quite large hands, so this might not be viable for other people.
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Aaron
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I've just read a BBC article about this where it mentions an e mail sent to Steve Jobs about this issue (an image of which is posted on this page of the thread)
I didnt relise the e mail was real  i thought it was a piss take.
Here's the article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8761240.stm
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Rob_Quads
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The effect of this is VERY signal strength dependant.
Last night I could go from 5 bars to 2/3 without any problem holding it in the right way.
This morning at work I can't get it to happen at all..but we have a transmitter on site so we will have a very good signal.
This would explain why some people don't see it. If you have a nearby transmitter then your signal is probably so good that even when its less its more than 5 bars
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John
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That's a different issue from the bridging antennas one.
The hand placement on the bottom left could be more of a build quality issue from what's being said now, it cut's connection completely on some phones but not others, it also doesn't happen if there's some sort of case on it prventing your hand creating an electrical connection.
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Steve
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Steve Jobs will be looking for new Jobs 
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Rob_Quads
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Originally posted by John
That's a different issue from the bridging antennas one.
Even bridging the antennas with a paperclip as many suggest or a key or anything else metal its not moving. But as I say I am 100m clear sight of a transmitter which would affect it. It could be a crap aerial but that close it could still get a good signal. The design becomes more crutial when the signal is much lower
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