Terry12
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I'm in the middle of putting a C16XE engine into my facelift Corsa b.
The C16XE is obviously out of the early GSi with normal PAS with the pump etc.
Slight problem is the engine is going into a Corsa with EPAS.
Has anybody else done a similar conversion? Can I use the engine mount off the 1.2 engine and just fit a shorter belt?
I don't want to just leave the PAS pump on the engine for fear of it seizing up without fluid running through it.
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Dave A
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use a 'non pas non aircon' mount or just use your pas engine mount with the pump removed. do away with the tensioner and run the belt directly to the alternator and tension it with a bracket, like so:
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Terry12
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Cheers Dave, So I can get do away with the PAS pump and tensioner and have the belt over the Alternator and bottom pulley. When you say tension with a bracket do you mean tension the belt by adjusting the alternator on a bracket?
Do the alternators have an adjustable bracket or will I have to make one up?
Is that a C16XE mate?
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ainsley_brader
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Easiest way is to get an auto tensioner and mount from a non pas non aircon 16v which is most 1.4 sports!
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Terry12
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quote:
Originally posted by ainsley_brader
Easiest way is to get an auto tensioner and mount from a non pas non aircon 16v which is most 1.4 sports!
Is that the X14XE? I've checked EPC and that engine appears to share the same mount and tensioner as the X16XE and C16XE
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ainsley_brader
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it is x14xe but you want one thats for non aircon non pas.
Does that program allow you to seaqrch by registration number?
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Terry12
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Not sure on reg number, Does with VIN plate though. If you've got any info like that that you could u2u I'd appreciate it.
atm my engine looks like the one in the pic, minus the TB's. I've removed the PAS pump and tensioner so my mount is bare which leaves the bottom pulley and alternator only. I take it the auto tensioner bolts straight onto my original mount?
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Ellis
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Wiring it into the C16 ECU was a pain for me although i don't know if you will expeirence the same difficulties, keep the 50A fuse and the associated wiring from the fuse box.....
Then again i did change the whole loom and this might vary with you
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Terry12
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quote:
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Wiring it into the C16 ECU was a pain for me although i don't know if you will expeirence the same difficulties, keep the 50A fuse and the associated wiring from the fuse box.....
Then again i did change the whole loom and this might vary with you
What's this mate? Wiring the EPAS into the C16 loom?
I've removed the full engine loom and ECU obvioulsy. when you say keep the 50A fuse and wiring from fuse box, Do you mean on the car with EPAS?
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Ellis
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Yea, from the original loom, keep the fuse - the 50A one, if i remember correctly they go directly to the battery...
There are another 4 or 5 wires involved with it, on the original loom follow them from the EPS control unit into the loom to find where the join and split them off, then it was just a case of finding the corresponding splits in the C16 loom and join it in - was a very tedious job but well worth i say!
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Ellis
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If i remember anything else vital, lol, i shall post it up here......
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Terry12
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Cheers fella, No doubt I'll be back in touch when it comes to fitting for advice.
ainsley is it this tensioner I've highlighted?
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Terry12
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quote:
Originally posted by Neepheed
If i remember anything else vital, lol, i shall post it up here......
Good man
You've put the C16XE into what spec Corsa?
What mount and tensioner have you used to get around using the PAS pump from the C16XE?
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Ellis
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To be truthfully honest it's a X16, i'm guessing the loom isn't vastly different - but then again i could be stupidly wrong!
Anyway, originally it was 1200 16v facelift
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Terry12
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Balls, Thought you'd used the C16.
My base car is also a 1.2 16V facelift.
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ainsley_brader
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yes it is the tensioner in the bottom left corner it doesnt bolt onto the mount though it bolts on to the left of the engine below the alternator.
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Terry12
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Ah that's why I was getting confused. I was thinking it bolted to the mount and couldn't work out how that would work.
I take there's holes to bolt the tensioner to my C16 block? Do I have to find a belt to fit or will the X14 belt fit?
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ainsley_brader
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x14 belt fits
i used all my x14xe bits when i put a c16xe in my sport so the hole must be there but i cant find a picture and i cant see the hole/s on daves picture
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looks like the tensioner bolts to the lower alternator mount
http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages/showimage.aspx?gid=477127&ppid=1122&image=75643366&images=75643322,75643333,75643343,75643351,75643358,75643366,75643381&formats=0,0,0,0,0,0,0&format=0
but im sure you can use the c16xe alternator mount
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Terry12
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You're a star Ainsley. I can see exactly how it goes now.
I'll check out the engine I have in the garage and get some more detailed pics and inspect it closer.
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Terry12
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Is that your engine in the pic? That's an X16XE isn't it? Or the X14XE?
[Edited on 11-10-2007 by Terry12]
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ainsley_brader
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one i found on ebay its supposed to be x14xe but makes no odds
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no
looks like you have to use the x14xe alternator mount too
heres a c16xe engine
[Edited on 11-10-2007 by ainsley_brader]
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Terry12
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Looks like the X14, X16 and C16 share the same mount for non power steering cars.
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ainsley_brader
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yup thats the one
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