luca2020
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Hi i have a question on home networking
if there are 7 people in a house, and all are wanting to connect to eachother as well as the internet, would it go like this:
7 PCs
Switch
Router
oviously all connected with cat5 cable, can the route act as a Broadband modem?
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Munchie
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NO....WILL NEED 7 NETWORK CARDS TO CONNECT TO THE CAT5 CABLES
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drunkenfool
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the router will not act as a broadband modem as it is just a router. You can buy boxes which have both devices combined into one, but most of them are either 1 or 4 port. There may well be 8 port ones out there, but if not, you will be better off buying a modem/router combined, with one output, then run that with cat 5 to the uplink port on an 8 port hub.
[Edited on 10-02-2004 by drunkenfool]
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luca2020
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the network cards go without saying
yer just thought 8 port switching hub - modem/router
so from the modem/router i would just need 1 connection to the switching hub, so i would just really need a 1 port modem/router?
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dacorsaman
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What connection are you on, Broadband?
If so theres and easy way to do it.
Buy a Wireless Modem/Gateway Router
And 7 Wireless Cards
When you set it the router up you will get instructions on how to access it, usually 192.168.2.1 or something like that, Then you need your user name and pass, along with the DNS Servers(Available from your ISP)
Once this is up and running you need to set up the wireless cards, usually very easy!!!
Then go in and set each machine with a static IP address (ie 192.168.2.5) or something close.
Put the router IP address in the Default Gateway, and the DNS servers under the properties of the Network Card (TCP/IP configuration) and thats about it!
Phew
Once this is in
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Siberia
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ya dont need a router at all
7 ---network cards
1 --8 port switch(cant get a 7 port 1)
1 ---dsl modem
Cables to connect them all
set up your LAN I.E the 7 computers get them all talkin to each other forget about the internet bit for a second
once u have this done desinate one computer (the most powerful one) as your main computer. connector ur dsl modem to this
go to winproxy.com and download winproxy or download a program called winroute
winroute has more features like DHCP but u can use static IP's also.
this program makes the computer connected to the net act like a router however u can still use this computer as normal once u set up winroute. It just sits in your system tray
have a read about it u can set it in serveral different configurations to suite your needs.
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luca2020
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getting 2mb line
dont want wireless network due to the fact the house is allready semi-networked, each room has cat5 cable running to it and all going into 1 room where the modem would be
so yer one 8 port switch but is it possible to have a modem without a destination computer, hense the reason for a modem/router + allso we want the modem/router to act as a hardware firewall
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drunkenfool
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you can have firewall software running on a gateway computer if you wanted, but it would mean that it would have to be on all the time. The easiest way is just get a box that does the same job, which also uses a lot less electricity (mounts up over time!). Are you going for cable or ADSL?
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Richie
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Best built in combo modem/routers ive used is the Netgear DG814 (New model is DG834) and for a single port at this price these beauty's are unbeatable http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=48448
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Melville
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sorry to invade your thread but......
at the moment I have 8 computers all connected via a switch and one is connected to the net which has to be on all the time. Im trying to get away from this and have been looking into some routers. How does the internet actually "connect" if you use a router as at the moment with BT you have to click "connect" to the remote computer.
Thanks for any advice 
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luca2020
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well not sure yet, whatever is cheepest for a 2mb line
Austin that looks good mate, were on a budget (were students) but that looks g8 for what we need
so that connected to a 8 switch hub (there cheep as chips), connect all the PCs up to the hub, get the Broadband sorted out and were away, sweet thanx lads
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drunkenfool
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the routers usually have adsl 'modems' built in. One wire connects the box to the ADSL line on the wall, and another wire connects the router to your hub. All the software is contained within the router that lets it connect to the internet and share the connection etc (you can access the router remotely to set set it up, either with HTTP or Telnet).
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dacorsaman
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Since you have cat 5 already installed the best way would be to buy a routerwhich you can plug your adsl modem into, Since you may need more than four cat5 ports a switch may be needed also/
Piss easy to do and no need for winroute or any other pish like that, just configure the TCP/IP properties of your network cards to the router IP address, and add BT server addresses usually 213.120.62.99 an 213.62.62.100.
The router will always be connected 24/7, once you enter the user and pass.
Hope this helps mate, installed loads of routers recently, becoming the in thing to have if youve got broadband. But seriously Wireless is the way to go!
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luca2020
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were gonna go this way about it:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=55667
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=44855
and were getting a 2mb bulldog connection 
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Dan B
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Bulldog 2Mbps is Datastream, I'd seriously avoid ANY datastream-based connection at the moment, and stick with IPStream.
I know someone working at Bulldog, and you'll be lucky to get 1Mbps through a 2Mbps connection, never mind the full 2Mbps...
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luca2020
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whats the difference between datastream and ip stream?
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BlueCorsa
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quote:
Originally posted by Melville
sorry to invade your thread but......
at the moment I have 8 computers all connected via a switch and one is connected to the net which has to be on all the time. Im trying to get away from this and have been looking into some routers. How does the internet actually "connect" if you use a router as at the moment with BT you have to click "connect" to the remote computer.
Thanks for any advice
The modem/router usually has a web-interface that you point your browser to, put your settings in (like ISP username/password) and then click connect. You can just leave the Router on all the time, connected to the ADSL and just restart the router every few weeks or so (just like you restart your PC/server every so often).
I have an ADSL modem/router combined, connected to an 8-port hub, with an 802.11 Access Point which serves 2 laptops, and 2 other computers connected to the wired hub + Playstation 2. Also got Print Server connected to the 8-port hub to share printer out on the network.
Tariq
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Firestartar
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I've the same scenario, Student house, 7 computers all connected to an 8 port switch, this then goes into a 4 port router, and this goes into a NTL modem, so its like this,
NTL Modem 1MB
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4 port Router (Belkin)
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8 port Switch
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7 PC's all on XP Pro
All the PC's can connect to the internet, but we cant work out how to get them talking to each other.
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luca2020
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hmmmm with a switching hub u should be able to communicate with eachother
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John_C
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quote:
Originally posted by Firestartar
I've the same scenario, Student house, 7 computers all connected to an 8 port switch, this then goes into a 4 port router, and this goes into a NTL modem, so its like this,
NTL Modem 1MB
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4 port Router (Belkin)
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8 port Switch
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7 PC's all on XP Pro
All the PC's can connect to the internet, but we cant work out how to get them talking to each other.
y have a 4 port router? totally wasted. modem to the switch surely
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Firestartar
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I'm not quite sure on the function of a router, but am under the impression that its needed to at least initialise the connection, and also to offer some protection to the computers behind it from outside attacks.
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John_C
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only thing i can think of is a coax connection to the router, which the switch hasn't got. switch is eseentially a better version of a router.
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Firestartar
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This site was given to me and I've loosely followed it to get things going, but never figured out how to get computers talking to each other,
http://www.networklab.co.uk/cmodem/index.html
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John_C
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i c where ur coming from now, router is assigning the ip address and the switch is just providing more connections. could of jus bought a 8 port router 
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Melville
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quote:
Originally posted by BlueCorsa
quote:
Originally posted by Melville
sorry to invade your thread but......
at the moment I have 8 computers all connected via a switch and one is connected to the net which has to be on all the time. Im trying to get away from this and have been looking into some routers. How does the internet actually "connect" if you use a router as at the moment with BT you have to click "connect" to the remote computer.
Thanks for any advice
The modem/router usually has a web-interface that you point your browser to, put your settings in (like ISP username/password) and then click connect. You can just leave the Router on all the time, connected to the ADSL and just restart the router every few weeks or so (just like you restart your PC/server every so often).
I have an ADSL modem/router combined, connected to an 8-port hub, with an 802.11 Access Point which serves 2 laptops, and 2 other computers connected to the wired hub + Playstation 2. Also got Print Server connected to the 8-port hub to share printer out on the network.
Tariq
Cheers mate. One other question. The modem I got with BT is USB. Can I connect this to a router or is it best to buy another modem that has rj35 on it?? Cheers
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