jamie m
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for the last year i have been running a nova gsi with a c20let engine and 6speed getrag box with quaife lsd, the engine was running a healthy 300+ bhp with tubular manifold t34 hybred turbo all fueling altered 86.5mm pistons courtenay cams etc etc etc
anyway i have decided to break the car as some of you may of seen because iv layed my hands on a corsa gsi shell converted proffesionally to a group a spec for super 1600 rallying, the shell has been completely stripped to bare metal inside and underneath, stitch welded from front to back with a proper harry hockley cage, full built in fire extinguisher spray system with underbonnet and in car jets, alot of stuff came with the car which i was not really interested in, my idea was to build the car up with my c20let in running around 400-450 bhp with dta management, steel rods new inlet and nos, but with it still being fwd i thort im still going to struggle for grip like hell so after paying a mate a visit who owns www.tornado motorsport.co.uk we have thort it may be an idea to transform the car to 4x4 by space framing the rear end to accept a dif etc, but im just collecting info at the moment on best ways to do it? iv included some questions below.
- will the transfer box mount on ok and clear the rack and bulkhead, if not what needs doing?
-do i still keep the engine in the same position and use the c20let and f28 mounts available for a corsa b? and what mount is suggested for the transfer box?
-will the exhaust tunnel need widening/modding at all to accept the prop and where will my 3" exhaust run?
- i would rather space frame the rear end than weld a calibra floorpan in and mount everything on the frame, am i best using the cali rear diff and shortening/balancing the cali prop?
- can i still keep the corsa original track width to keep the car looking standardish from the outside?? obviously i will need 3 custom shafts making up? drivers side front and two rear ones
-do i simply use cali rear arms and outer hubs mounted on the spaceframe and do i have to use cali rear suspension?
i have not exactly thort much about it yet, just trying to gather information before i make any decisions? so any answers/ideas will be much appreciated
   
   
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jazzer2k3
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I think, there hasn't actually been a 4x4 corsa .. There was some1 ageeeeeeees ago that was going to try and make to take everything off a calibra and cut/make it fit .. He had drawings of it and all sorts . . .
The only guy that will be running 4x4 will be beardy with his twin engined corsa 
But, Both cars look porn
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willhouse
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slightly different but i know of a chap in sheffield that has made a 4x4 astra gsi mk3
used f28 and carlton rear axle,
easiest way may be to get a prop and dif (cossie possibly) which is mounted in the middle back of the car and run struts like the front with the same hubs etc and get quaife to make driveshafts from diff to corsa front hubs.
may not be as simple as that but would mean independent rear suspension with parts that are replaceable and easy to source, apart from driveshafts.
could be similar set up to beardy's twin engine project but without the engine in the back
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jamie m
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rear wheel drive and twin engined are no way near the same mate
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Rick Draper
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There has been a 4wd corsa it was built ages ago. Dave France has the links. Why do you want to go 4wd. All you will end upo with is a decidedly average 4wd car.
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jazzer2k3
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Originally posted by Rick Draper
There has been a 4wd corsa it was built ages ago. Dave France has the links. Why do you want to go 4wd. All you will end upo with is a decidedly average 4wd car.
Tbh, 400bhp will be totally useless in a FWD corsa . . . . So 4x4 is the only way he can keep the power down i wud ave thought
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willhouse
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Originally posted by jamie m
rear wheel drive and twin engined are no way near the same mate
the idea is that you use corsa front struts in the rear with the same hubs etc from the front of a corsa mounted to a part sub frame welded in to the back of the car. a similar idea to what beardy has used!!!!!
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jamie m
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rick draper, surely the car wont be adverage and will be able to put the power down and handle much better than a fwd car? i dont see the point in all these high powered fwds now as its so hard to put the power down and on the track the 4wd cars are all over you into and out of the bends? im talking from experiance in the nova so im just trying to take my knowledge and upgrade it to improve the car
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ed
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quote:
Originally posted by willhouse
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Originally posted by jamie m
rear wheel drive and twin engined are no way near the same mate
the idea is that you use corsa front struts in the rear with the same hubs etc from the front of a corsa mounted to a part sub frame welded in to the back of the car. a similar idea to what beardy has used!!!!!
You don't want to do that at all.
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Rick Draper
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Originally posted by jamie m
rick draper, surely the car wont be adverage and will be able to put the power down and handle much better than a fwd car? i dont see the point in all these high powered fwds now as its so hard to put the power down and on the track the 4wd cars are all over you into and out of the bends? im talking from experiance in the nova so im just trying to take my knowledge and upgrade it to improve the car
If you wanted a 4wd car it would be easier to buy one that handled properly and worked out of the box. Ok it will put the power down better but its not going to handle that much better.
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ed
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The way people have done it before is to cut a Calibra up and mount the rear suspension system into the corsa by welding in a sction of the floor pan. My opinion of that though is it's a bodge. The proper way to do it would be to fabricat your own mounting points for the rear swing arms then custom mount some coilovers where the springs sit. Not sure if you have seen the rear suspension from a Calibra or Cavalier to understand what I mean. But it's a similar thing to what people do when building some kit cars with Sierra rear suspension. You can then mount the coilovers into some turrets.
You then need to mount the diff, which means more brackets and mounts but this isn't too difficult in the grand scheme of things.
The next issue would be the driveshafts. Depending on how you mounted the rear suspension you have a few options, you can either widen the front track of the car to match the Calibra width, or you can narrow the rear track to match the Corsa track. You will need shortened driveshafts from the rear diff to the hubs if you do the latter. Then you will need to shorten the prop shaft. I know somone who works for GKN engineering who said that they can probably do stuff like that (they make props for Jag and Land Rover).
Next issue is the transmission tunnel, easily fabricated though 
Next up is the bulk head. As far as I am aware the transfer box will not quite fit without some modification, but you need to cut a hole for the tunnel anyway. The steering rack is probably in the way too anf would need raising up to clear the prop and the transfer box...
You then have no room for pedals, so the driver has to sit futher back and a pedal box needs to be used, however your shell probably alread accomodates for that.
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Greg_M
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hary hockly do independant rear supspension for the corsa. might be a place to start
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willhouse
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Originally posted by ed
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Originally posted by willhouse
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Originally posted by jamie m
rear wheel drive and twin engined are no way near the same mate
the idea is that you use corsa front struts in the rear with the same hubs etc from the front of a corsa mounted to a part sub frame welded in to the back of the car. a similar idea to what beardy has used!!!!!
You don't want to do that at all.
why???? it would be cheap, it would work, it has worked infact, seeing as though beardy has used it on his twin engine corsa with space frame in the back
anyway- i hate forums for this, the guy asked for ideas and every muppet is saying this is right or this is wrong.
its up to him to decide how to do it
[Edited on 20-10-2006 by willhouse]
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bigrabbelfast
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think this is the sort of thing ur after it was built by sydne meeke father of chis meeke the jwrc driver
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ed
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quote:
Originally posted by willhouse
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Originally posted by ed
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Originally posted by willhouse
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Originally posted by jamie m
rear wheel drive and twin engined are no way near the same mate
the idea is that you use corsa front struts in the rear with the same hubs etc from the front of a corsa mounted to a part sub frame welded in to the back of the car. a similar idea to what beardy has used!!!!!
You don't want to do that at all.
why???? it would be cheap, it would work, it has worked infact, seeing as though beardy has used it on his twin engine corsa with space frame in the back
anyway- i hate forums for this, the guy asked for ideas and every muppet is saying this is right or this is wrong.
its up to him to decide how to do it
[Edited on 20-10-2006 by willhouse]
The reason Beardy has done it is to mount another fucking engine in the back. This guy wants fucking 4WD. Stop being a chump.
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jamie m
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ok people calm down it seems like willhouse has got mixed up which alot of folk do, buttttt if you look at the rear suspension on that corsa pictured they do look very much like front avos off a corsa/nova?? i want single engined 4wd,
bigrabblefest i would love to see more pictures of that or maybe contact details? i know so far the car is definatly going to run custom made independant rear suspension arms and some coilover struts which can be sourced easy as the kit car boys use them and you can have ones made to how you desire.
ed do you believe the tunnel is going to have to be widened that much that the pedal box will need moving as the tunnel is big enough to accept the prop now, just need somewhere to route my exhaust?
rick im not sure if you understand the word modding or being differant, if i wanted to be like all the other sheep id go out and buy an evo/subaru/pulsar but i dont want one, i want something differant, abit special, something to be pleased about when youve built it, and maybe something to give the 4x4 boys a good run for there money??
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ed
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The tunnel needs to be bigger the whole way along as it needs to accept the exhaust and the prop. At the front it needs to be able to accpet the transfer box so it gets widened a bit more.
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PaulopelGsi
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thats fuckin class matey
your not far from me, wouldnt mind a spin one day. i'll take ya out in my old evo 2 if ya like
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Robin
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Sierra rear trailing arms, box section, welder, sierra rear diff, shortened cally prop (or a custom one), trial and error.
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bigrabbelfast
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it was for sale a few months ago,not 2 sure if the boy still has it or not heres the spec
SBD 2litre 16v XE 276BHP hi torque engine on new MBE system and Taper throttle bodies Tony Law stainless exhaust manifold and 3 inch system.X track 6spd H pattern transmission with hydraulic system and hand brake release.
3 way proflex running on progressive tarmac springs.
Fully adjustable WRC type bladed anti roll bar on the front and rear with adjustable suspension links all round.330mm discs on the front with AP 6 pot calipers and AP 4 pots with 315mm discs on the rear.
The wide track shell has the same foot print as a 555 Impreza with a full weld in trangulated cage, bag tank, Recaro seats,stack dash,coralba trip, heated front screen and sits on 8x17in wheels.
Engine,transmission,suspension has done approx 100 stage miles since full rebuild.This highly competitive unique car comes with a large spares package inc wheels and tyres.Maintained regardless of cost and 2nd overall last time out.
Tel
Charlie Beatty 07885576172
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