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WATSON

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29th Jul 10 at 11:55

Anyone else have these nasty things in there livingroom?

been looking at a way to get our tv up on the wall but the way the beams are the tv would look out of place.. nothings bloody center in here!

See below..

You can see the fires off center to the beams also

tv in question

Theres a cupboard on the first picture that id like to hide all the cable boxs ect inside.

any ideas

_Allan_

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29th Jul 10 at 12:24

Lower the ceiling?. Some wooden battons between, some big sheets of plasterboard, skim etc... Depends on how tall your room is but going by the door casing you could bring it down ok.

AndyKent

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29th Jul 10 at 12:49

Are they actually structural or just hollow? Give them a knock and you'll be able to hear.

If structural the only option is to leave them as is and lower the ceiling. In an old house though its taking away a feature a lot of people would like to see and will be a lot of work anyway

WATSON

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29th Jul 10 at 12:49

more work that we really wouldnt want to do tbh plus the window goes all the way up to the top.

WATSON

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29th Jul 10 at 12:50

there structural

Cosmo

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29th Jul 10 at 12:52

If the TV is central above the fireplace then surely it wont look too bad?

mattk

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29th Jul 10 at 13:30

Teles on walls look stupid anyway, leave it where it should be

Rickavo

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29th Jul 10 at 16:00

are you sure they're structual because they seem to far apart to be.

AndyKent

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29th Jul 10 at 16:02

quote:
Originally posted by Rickavo
are you sure they're structual because they seem to far apart to be.

You sure about that?

Seems to split the room into thirds, so supporting the joists above at exactly the right points.

Rickavo

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29th Jul 10 at 16:11

The joists shouldnt need supporting. if they did then shouldnt these ones be supported and the ones supporting them etc.. The joists are the support for the rood and are held up by the structual walls

AndyKent

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29th Jul 10 at 16:14

Think you're getting mixed up.

In an old house the floor joists (for the first floor) could be fairly shallow depth, so a couple of beams in the opposite directions (as in the pictures) will stop them deflecting.

Joists don't support the roof, thats rafters. Rafters have joists running between them to create a solid place to stand or attach the ceiling.

Rickavo

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29th Jul 10 at 16:19

Well in my house and all the houses i go in the joists support the Ceiling** and the upstairs floor. I didnt mean roof and being as this is a living room i guessed that its downstairs?

AndyKent

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29th Jul 10 at 16:23

Yeah, thats right, but if the floor joists aren't very deep, a beam running the opposite way underneath stops them deflecting under load.

Rickavo

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29th Jul 10 at 16:26

I know what you mean just never seen it in a house and they cant be a requirement

AndyKent

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29th Jul 10 at 16:41

As I say, depends on the age and design of the house.

In a modern house, you'd never need them as they'd just whack in the right size joists when building it. In something old its much more common.

Not something you can just remove though

a_j_mair

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30th Jul 10 at 09:06

quote:
Originally posted by Rickavo
I know what you mean just never seen it in a house and they cant be a requirement

different sizes of timber can span different distances so if the floor/ceiling joist can only span 2m and the room is 6m wide it will require something supporting it @ 2m c/c or larger joists.

The room in question will have had 2 steel beams inserted to carry the loading fromn the joists and the beams will be supported on the outside walls.

Steel beems can span far further than timber.

It is very common and not at all unusual

New practices and techniques may see the joists being checked out and fitted in flange to prevent a step.

To original question a bit of boxing around the beams at the wall to create a bulk head along the tc wall may take away from the obvious mi alignment

or line it up with fire and dont worry about it

mwg

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30th Jul 10 at 10:50

What the hell

In all the jobs I've worked on I've never seen steel beams projecting down in to a domestic property like that

3CorsaMeal

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30th Jul 10 at 10:52

just stick the tv on the wall imo

it won't look that bad, no worse then it sitting a few feet lower on the floor

i would do the suspended ceiling option, you can leave a well around the top of window, its quite a lot of work though for just sticking a tv on the wall

Neo

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30th Jul 10 at 13:21

I think i'd try and turn it into a feature, box mdf around it and have spot lights in it, seperate switches so you can have all on, or just the ones at the back for when your watching tv etc.

Something like this

stubs

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30th Jul 10 at 16:33

quote:
Originally posted by mattk
Teles on walls look stupid anyway, leave it where it should be

In your opinion...
I say they look good, provided they're not mounted too high like most people have the habit of doing.
Can also look really nice if installed as part of a feature like this one I worked on (albeit, a bit high for my liking)

Rickavo

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30th Jul 10 at 17:35

quote:
Originally posted by a_j_mair

quote:
Originally posted by Rickavo
I know what you mean just never seen it in a house and they cant be a requirement

different sizes of timber can span different distances so if the floor/ceiling joist can only span 2m and the room is 6m wide it will require something supporting it @ 2m c/c or larger joists.

The room in question will have had 2 steel beams inserted to carry the loading fromn the joists and the beams will be supported on the outside walls.

Steel beems can span far further than timber.

It is very common and not at all unusual

New practices and techniques may see the joists being checked out and fitted in flange to prevent a step.

To original question a bit of boxing around the beams at the wall to create a bulk head along the tc wall may take away from the obvious mi alignment

or line it up with fire and dont worry about it

Oo so what your saying is these joists only span 1m?? Behave.

If it was a big room fair enough but this room is tiny.

3CorsaMeal

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31st Jul 10 at 18:04

might be load bearing walls directly above, headroom might be an issue, who knows, but its not uncommon

they may not even be steel, just a timber joist acting like a purlin

Tom J

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31st Jul 10 at 18:31

quote:
Originally posted by Neo
I think i'd try and turn it into a feature, box mdf around it and have spot lights in it, seperate switches so you can have all on, or just the ones at the back for when your watching tv etc.

Something like this

+1
this would be the best solution imo and not too expensive

AndyKent

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31st Jul 10 at 18:37

Great idea.

Designed properly you could run some cool spotlights or downlighters in there too.

a_j_mair

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2nd Aug 10 at 11:39

quote:
Originally posted by Rickavo

quote:
Originally posted by a_j_mair

quote:
Originally posted by Rickavo
I know what you mean just never seen it in a house and they cant be a requirement

different sizes of timber can span different distances so if the floor/ceiling joist can only span 2m and the room is 6m wide it will require something supporting it @ 2m c/c or larger joists.

The room in question will have had 2 steel beams inserted to carry the loading fromn the joists and the beams will be supported on the outside walls.

Steel beems can span far further than timber.

It is very common and not at all unusual

New practices and techniques may see the joists being checked out and fitted in flange to prevent a step.

To original question a bit of boxing around the beams at the wall to create a bulk head along the tc wall may take away from the obvious mi alignment

or line it up with fire and dont worry about it

Oo so what your saying is these joists only span 1m?? Behave.

If it was a big room fair enough but this room is tiny.