Dom
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Originally posted by dj_mikey_k
sound card = creative audigy 2 ex = the best money can buy full 7.1 surround
mate i can give you a whole list of sounds cards that are better than anything creative make - ie: m-audio, digidesigns (i own a 001, best 600 quid ive spent) plus many more. Fair enough there music studio cards, but hey, they will beat a creative card hand down 
However, mate sod the 7.1 surround, you will never use it unless your gonna watch dvds on it (even then you should watch em on ya tv, since you will see the imperfections from the film using during recording on your monitor).
Anyways mate, i would look at hercules or Terratec cards  The only reason i would get a creative card is if i was gonna use linux or some other operating system, since loads of people have creative cards so drivers will be available for them etc 
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Dom
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as for cases icy mate, dont get a cheapy case always spend abit of dosh on it and get something with fans and a decent power supply. Have a butchers on overclockers.co.uk, they may seem a little OTT, ie: 100 odd quid (200 quid in most cases) for a case but when it comes summer you will be greatful that you got something with fans all over the place keeping it all nice and cool
Also, make sure you get a decent PSU too. Get a decent make and no rely on the one in the case, majority of them are cheap and nasty and dont give out very quickly power (IE: spikes all over the place, which can cause reboots etc).
Anyways, what system you looking at getting, spec-wise? sounds like its gonna be impressive though
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Adam
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http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/chenbro_cases.html
Got the silver one, looks good and is great to work on
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Icy
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thx that helps alot
maybe y my pc keeps rebootin jus now 
i wil be watchin films on pc but not bothered about surround sound etc not like gona set a system up lol
ordered so far
2800xp barton
2x512 ddr400
80gb master 200gb slave
kt600 m/b (ordered it but might changed to that kv7nsx blah forgot code)
jus to decide on grfx card, soundcard n case
nothin spectaculiar anythin better than my p3 500 
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Super_si
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Id gone higher then DDR400. Does the board suppoer dual chan?
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Icy
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quote:
Originally posted by Adam
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/chenbro_cases.html
Got the silver one, looks good and is great to work on
looks quite good
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Icy
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spec of m/b ordered
gettin stuff at local shop coz dont wana use creditcard 
CPU
• Supports Socket A (Socket 462) for AMD® Athlon™ XP/Athlon™/Duron™ processor
• Supports to Athlon™ XP 3200+ processor or higher speed
• Supports 200/266/333/400MHz FSB
Chipset
• VIA® KT600 Chipset
- FSB @200/266/333/400MHz
- Supports DDR200/266/333/400 memory
- AGP 8X and PCI advanced high performance memory controller.
• VIA® VT8237 Chipset
- Ultra DMA 66/100/133 master mode EIDE controller.
- Intergrated dual channel native Serial ATA/RAID controller
supplying 150MB/s supporting for RAID 0 and RAID 1
- ACPI & PC2001 compliant enhanced power management.
- Supports 8 USB 2.0 ports
Main Memory
• Supports six memory banks using three 184-pin DDR SDRAMs.
• Supports up to 3GB memory size.
• Supports DDR400/DDR333/DDR266/DDR200 SDRAM
Note: PC3200 (DDR400) maximum 4 banks only.
Slots
• One AGP (Accelerated Graphics Port) slot.
- Supports AGP 4x/8x.
- Supports AGP 3.0
• Five 32-bit PCI bus slots (support 3.3v/5v PCI bus interface).
On-Board IDE
• An IDE controller on the VT8237 chipset provides IDE HDD/CD-ROM with PIO, Bus Master and
Ultra DMA 133/100/66 operation modes.
- Can connect up to four Ultra ATA drives.
• Serial ATA/150 controller integrated in VT8237.
- Up to 150MB/sec transfer speeds.
- Can connect up to two Serial ATA drives.
- Supports RAID 0 or RAID 1.
Promise 20378 On-Board
• Supports Ultra ATA, Serial ATA, Ultra ATA RAID 0 or 1 , Serial ATA RAID 0
or 1, Ultra/Serial ATA RAID 0+1 supported.
• Connect up to 2 Serial ATA devices and 2 Ultra ATA 133 devices.
Audio
6 channels software audio codec C-Media 9739A.
- Compliance with AC97 v2.2 Spec.
- Meet PC2001 audio performance requirement.
- Can support SPDIF Out via optional S-Bracket only.
LAN
Broadcom 4401/5788
- Integrated Gigabit Ethernet MAC and PHY transceiver, auto-negotiation operation.
- Supports single-port 10MB/s, 100MB/s (for 4401) or 1000MB/s (for 5788) BAST-T application.
- Compliance with PCI v2.2 and LAN on Motherboard (LOM) standard.
On-Board Peripherals
On-Board Peripherals include:
- 1 floppy port supports 2 FDDs with 360K, 720K, 1.2M, 1.44M and 2.88Mbytes
- 2 serial ports (COM A + COM B)
- 1 parallel port supports SPP/EPP/ECP mode
- 1 IrDA connector for SIR/ASKIR/HPSIR
- 1 audio port
- 8 USB 2.0 ports (Rear x 6 / Front x 2)
BIOS
• The mainboard BIOS provides "Plug & Play" BIOS which detects the peripheral devices
and expansion cards of the board automatically.
• The mainboard provides a Desktop Management Interface(DMI) function which records
your mainboard specifications.
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Super_si
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either i misses it or it doesnt support dual channel. Also DDR is DDR just higher rated. Hope youve gone corsair wouldnt touch anything else.
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Icy
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got recommended the kt6 by guy in shop they were buildin one in store n showed me
but got recommended this one too on other forum
Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe nForce2 (Socket A) Motherboard (MB-050-AS)
Another excellent solution from the A7N8X series is here. The A7N8X-E Deluxe motherboard improves on the popular A7N8X Deluxe by adding Gigabit LAN and the exclusive ASUS Wi-Fi slot for easy wireless LAN setup. Of course, innovative features such as AGPPro/8x, Dolby® digital 6-channel audio, onboard IEEE 1394, Serial ATA, dual-channel DDR 400 and a dual LAN design are still included in this latest board.
- 3 x 184pin DDR-SDRAM ports (Supporting up to PC3200)
- 5 x PCI slots
- 1 x AGP Pro (4x/8x) slot
- Dual Channel DDR400 support
- 2 x UDMA133 (supports upto 4 device)
- Serial ATA150 Controller
- 6 x USB 2.0 ports
- Firewire IEEE 1394 ports
- Onboard dual Marvell Gigabit LAN & Nvidia 10/100 LAN
- Nvidia SoundStorm / Dolby Digital Audio
- Nivida Nforce 2 Chipset
- Asus Wi-Fi Slot
this work with 2800xp?
Asus SK8N (Socket 940) Motherboard (MB-031-AS)
The ASUS Athlon FX/Opteron motherboard is finally here!
Supporting a dual-channel memory architecture, scalable HyperTransport, IEEE 1394 high-speed connection, S/PDIF digital audio, SATA RAID, onboard LAN and more, the SK8N is definitely rich in features and robust in performance.
- AMD Athlon FX/Opteron 100 and 200 series CPU supported
- Scalable HyperTransport Bus
- Nvidia nForce 3 Pro 150 Chipset
- Dual Channel DDR supporting PC1600/PC2100/PC2700 ECC DDR Memory (ECC Memory required)
- 1 x AGP 8X Slot
- 5 x PCI Slots
- 2 x UDMA 133 IDE Ports
- Promise R20378 RAID Controller
- 6 Channel sound with S/PDIF out interface
- 10/100 LAN
- 2 x IEEE1394 ports
- 6 x USB2.0 ports
- Dimensions: 305mm x 245mm
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Icy
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crucial
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Super_si
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Id personally got the Nforce one. Crucial :eek:
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Dom
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yea looks good
nah doesnt support dual channel memory, nice little feature, although the only thing ive noticed that its good on is when im either doing music production work, working with lots of samples and real-time sound generating, or when doing film editing Apart from that, didnt really noitce it .
One thing that is a god send with my machine is RAID!! its fooking brilliant  I have a XP3000 under my desk and although its fast a processing stuff, its slow as fooking at loading compared to my xp1700, dual 40gb raided. But then again, it all depends what you want your machine to do
Icy, if your not bothered about playing with dvds and using other operating systems other than windows, then get something like a hercules. Had a quick butchers on overclockers.co.uk and theres a 7.1 digital this and that for 40 odd quid Havnt used the card myself, so might be worth looking up a few reviews, but hercules stuff is usually alright Plus you dont have to pay the stupid prices creative gear is  Also on there is the m-audio car, at around 70 quid (i think). M-audio studio stuff is top notch for the money, so i would believe that for the money the m-audio card on overclockers.co.uk will be alright, plus it has real 96khz recording unlike creative gear that just records stuff in 42khz and then processes it into 96khz - its a cheap and shoddy way of doing it and its badly advertised as well
hope it goes well mate
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Icy
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is the asus card better than the msi one i ordered?
tempted to get him to order it
has dual channel memory
whats doe that mean? makes it faster?
il have browsey about the hercules/maudios
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Super_si
Id personally got the Nforce one. Crucial :eek:
nout wrong with crucial - fair play, what you pay is what ya get, but under normal working conditions you wont know the difference between expensive ram or cheapy stuff, even playing games to be honest. At the end of the day, your talking about ms between access times for ram, so unless its mega important or you have the cash to burn, then i would get sum cheapy stuff
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Icy
is the asus card better than the msi one i ordered?
tempted to get him to order it
has dual channel memory
whats doe that mean? makes it faster?
il have browsey about the hercules/maudios
dual channel, basically in a very short and simple answer, means quicker access times to the memory. Infact i think its almost double. So its worth having, but certain motherboards can be abit fussy on what ya have IE: you cant mix and match type and make of ram (DDR) and speeds is a no no.
to behonest, it all depends how much cash you have to splash on it, but if you were gonna go dual channel, i would also get raid-1 sorted too
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Icy
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got a question
about this IDE -> ATA now
will IDE hd's work on ATA motherboard?
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Dom
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quote:
Originally posted by Icy
got a question
about this IDE -> ATA now
will IDE hd's work on ATA motherboard?
YUP ATA is the speed at which the IDE hard drive works so you get ata 33, 66, something, 100, 133(being the fastest). However, if you motherboards has SATA connectors, the new hard driver technology, see about going for that, since you can then raid in the future if you wish to. Otherwise you will have to buy two new SATA drives in the future, since not alot of motherboards offer the raid feature in IDE format
edit: the spec of the first motherboard you put up with the via kt600 chipset supports raid in IDE and SATA, which is nice If you go for that board, then go with what ever type of HDD you want mate
[Edited on 15-01-2004 by VisibleMan]
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myke
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can you explain raid briefly please?
my new asus supports it, but i dunno the lo-down.
something like using 2harddrives and saving files half on each so it reads them double speed?
is that right? and is it worth it?
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GeForce cards ar good if u can pick up a bargain, i got a full retail FX5900 for £95!
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I'm using a GeForce Ti 4200 and it's not all that bad but I only have a Athlon XP2400 so that's not helping much.
Heard lots of good things about ATI cards, but been burnt by the awful peices of shite they used to release.
Creative soundcards are the best if you play games, 100% EAX3 compatable games and solid drivers etc make them great mainstream cards.
Been using Creative since I had an ISA AWE32!
Never let me down.
If you want to do funky music stuff get something else, Creative cards are more for compatability and games.
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