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Balling

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17th Sep 12 at 14:41

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
Please don't make me spell out the simple laws of retail too. I've already wasted enough time explaining why inductive charging is, as of today, pointless and I'm yet to recieve a single valid argument confirming otherwise.

It was a genuine question, not a dig. I'm not too clued up on phone specs so unsure if the 920 is priced higher than comparable models, only because of the charging technology!?

As for a valid argument I'll have to refer to my post on the previous page.

A2H GO

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17th Sep 12 at 14:57

Fair enough the expense of the tech could be subsidised in other ways, altough it'll almost always be footed by the consumer somewhere otherwise the company wouldn't make any money. In the example above the consumer is paying for the additional expense of the Blu-ray in the form of content.

Dom/Balling, please quote said responses to my question:

If I have a mobile phone with conductive charging capability in my hand right now, what possible benefit/cost saving/convenience/time saving do I have over a standard charger?

I've already pointed out some disadvantages:

- doesn't work over usb (hardly suprising but a downside if its your only option)
- slow (debatable)
- gets hot
- pads cost more than chargers
- no time saving over using a standard charger
- increased cost (debatable as to who would foot this)

Im not trolling, its a genuine question...

Gary

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17th Sep 12 at 14:59

quote:
Originally posted by Gary
I could've done with inductive charging when i passed out in bed sat night to find my phone on teh floor with a flat battery on sunday morning.

Inductive charging floor ftw

Balling

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17th Sep 12 at 15:07

quote:
Originally posted by A2H GO
If I have a mobile phone with conductive charging capability in my hand right now, what possible benefit/cost saving/convenience/time saving do I have over a standard charger?

The answer is, that you're looking at it the wrong way. It's not a matter of what you stand to gain on a short term basis, but how it may help us evolve our technology.

Your claim was, that Apple didn't need to implement this, as it's not used the way Dom proposed it could be.
My claim is, that if Apple did choose to implement it, the technology would receive a boost and start getting used in other products thus becoming useful, in the long term.

Whether the technology is not good enough yet, I can't judge.

Ian

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17th Sep 12 at 15:10

Ash are you assuming something needs to be useful to be popular?

When the iPhone 6 gets it, it'll be a major selling point and people will go mad for it, quote me.

Balling

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17th Sep 12 at 15:15

quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Ash are you assuming something needs to be useful to be popular?

When the iPhone 6 gets it, it'll be a major selling point and people will go mad for it, quote me.

I don't think popularity was as much an issue as usefulness.

Rick Draper

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17th Sep 12 at 15:16

GF has been to the O2 store to pick up 2 nano sims as I am in Toronto until tomorrow. All set for delivery now.

Balling

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17th Sep 12 at 15:18

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Originally posted by Rick Draper
I am in Toronto until tomorrow.

I'll just await Ian's IP check before acknowledging that.

Gary

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17th Sep 12 at 15:19

Charging your phone via inductive charging is fairly pointless, i'll agree. But what about the other possibilities?

I'd love the shelves of my AV cab to be able to power the devices sat on them, 6 powerleads down to 1, yes please.

Obviously the current draw is an issue currently but without interest in the tech i'll never have my inductive shelves and i'll be holding Ash personally responsible

Marc

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17th Sep 12 at 15:20

quote:
Originally posted by Balling

quote:
Originally posted by Rick Draper
I am in Toronto until tomorrow.
I'll just await Ian's IP check before acknowledging that.

Ian

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17th Sep 12 at 15:21

Who doesn't think inductive charging is useful?

Comparable to a wireless network in a house surely?

Who has a wired network now apart from me?

Ian

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17th Sep 12 at 15:21

That ones real unfortunately.

VrsTurbo

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17th Sep 12 at 15:25

quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Who doesn't think inductive charging is useful?

Comparable to a wireless network in a house surely?

Who has a wired network now apart from me?

A2H GO

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17th Sep 12 at 15:26

My comment was simply that its not far enough along for Apple to incorporate it within their devices(which you've kind of agreed with above saying companys needs to implement it in order for it to evolve). Thats literally my opinion as noone really knows why, it may be that as pointed out, they're wanting their own standard like everything else.

100% agree that companies need to implement it in order for it to evolve into something useful and that the best company to to help get it to that stage would be Apple.

Other companies like Nokia need to implement stuff like this to set them apart from their competitors and no doubt Samsung will be on the bandwagon soon. Apple don't. They'll sell millions without it and so have no interest in spending money to 'evolve a technology' that is evolving anyway. They'll wait for other compaines to get it to that stage before hopping on and stealing all the glory as their new invention.

Gary

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17th Sep 12 at 15:26

quote:
Originally posted by Ian
Who has a wired network now apart from me?

Only for stuff next to my router.

Me and a mate have been saying we need wireless leccy for years and this is just the start of it.

Dom

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17th Sep 12 at 15:31

quote:
Originally posted by Gary
Charging your phone via inductive charging is fairly pointless...

Not to sound like a broken record but i'd say it's pretty useful especially when you think about the reason why Nokia are attempting to push it - keeping your phones' battery topped up eg: - Phones on the table of a coffee shop or restaurant; or your coffee table or hallway sideboard at home; or car dashboards/centre consoles. No need to plug anything in, just dump the phone down.
And obviously this can be applied to other portable devices.

They've also go demo's of static gear like TV's working on inductive power but they've got to overcome efficacy and power issues before it becomes viable.

[Edited on 17-09-2012 by Dom]

Gary

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17th Sep 12 at 15:33

Dosent 'topping up' your battery ruin it or is that an old wives tale?

A2H GO

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17th Sep 12 at 15:34

Its far from pointless.

I remember seeing early implementations years ago in the form of a kitchen worktop, was very impressive.

VrsTurbo

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17th Sep 12 at 15:36

quote:
Originally posted by Gary
Dosent 'topping up' your battery ruin it or is that an old wives tale?

Older tech battery's yes new battery's it dont really matter

Dom

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17th Sep 12 at 15:39

quote:
Originally posted by VrsTurbo

quote:
Originally posted by Gary
Dosent 'topping up' your battery ruin it or is that an old wives tale?

Older tech battery's yes new battery's it dont really matter

Yup, it's not much of a problem with li-ions although you still have your limited charge cycles (but obviously advances in battery tech will improve this).

Ian

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17th Sep 12 at 15:42

I like the way you recognise Apple will be along later to steal the glory.

Nismo

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17th Sep 12 at 15:42

Theres some people here that must get next to no work done all day.

The amount of time they must spend googling answers